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#350036 - 06/12/11 12:45 PM VP180 questions
steve0742003 Offline
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Registered: 04/03/04
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Loc: Ohio, U.S.
Hello all,

I am considering upgrading my VP150 to the VP180 and I have a few questions that some current owners can hopefully help me out with.

I am currently powering my setup with a Pioneer Elite 94txh. I am running M22 mains, the VP150 center, QS8 side and rear surrounds, and the SVS PB13 Ultra sub.

1. The VP180 is a 4 OHM load speaker and can handle some juice so will I be able to utilize a somewhat decent amount of the speakers potential with the 94txh? Is anyone running this monster off of an AVR? I would eventually like to move to a system of separates, but unfortunately that is not going to be possible for me anytime in the near future due to budget constraints smile

2. If anyone has moved up from the 150 to the 180 was it a very noticeable difference? I have found a few posts on here with positive impressions. I guess I am trying to make myself feel better about dropping the cash on this bad boy. I will be able to sell the 150 to offset the cost a little though.

I am happy with the m22s as my mains since I use my system for 98% movies and gaming. So I do not feel the need to bump up my mains. I figure that the center upgrade would make the biggest impact for me at this point in time.

Thanks in advance for any input given!
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Pioneer VSX94TXH, M22ti fronts, VP150ti, QS8ti side + rear, SVS PB13 Ultra, Oppo BDP93

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#350037 - 06/12/11 01:21 PM Re: VP180 questions [Re: steve0742003]
dakkon Offline
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http://www.axiomaudio.com/boards/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=313713&page=1

read this thread, i tried to find the original vp-180 thread, but was not able to find it... the general consensus is the VP-150 does not even compare to the 180.

when i upgraded, the difference was so huge, that i wished they had come out with the 180 many years ago.....

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#350038 - 06/12/11 01:46 PM Re: VP180 questions [Re: dakkon]
steve0742003 Offline
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Thanks Dakkon... What are you using to run it? An AVR or separate amp?
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Pioneer VSX94TXH, M22ti fronts, VP150ti, QS8ti side + rear, SVS PB13 Ultra, Oppo BDP93

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#350039 - 06/12/11 02:02 PM Re: VP180 questions [Re: steve0742003]
MarkSJohnson Offline
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Steve, with the disclaimer that I've never used a VP180, I can't imagine you having problems running it from an Elite AVR. Now, if you were ALSO running M80s and had a lesser AVR, there might be cause for concern... but I feel confident that you'll be fine.
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#350043 - 06/12/11 02:35 PM Re: VP180 questions [Re: steve0742003]
casey01 Offline
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If you look at the specs of most floor standing/full range speakers of generally the vast majority of manufacturers out there, what you will find is these models will have a higher SPL rating , i.e. it will take less power to drive them at a similar volume level as compared to a bookshelf, smaller design. Such is the case with the VP180.

I am afraid though, once you get used to a speaker of this size, frequency range and power handling capability, you will be tempted to go the full range floor standing (M60s/M80s)route. Whether its movies or music, it just seems to happen that way.

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#350046 - 06/12/11 04:26 PM Re: VP180 questions [Re: casey01]
SRoode Offline
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Registered: 03/20/08
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Loc: Fishers, Indiana, USA
The VP150 is a AAA speaker, the VP180 is a MVP in the major leagues. There really is no comparison.
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#350048 - 06/12/11 04:51 PM Re: VP180 questions [Re: SRoode]
bdpf Offline
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Registered: 06/28/08
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Loc: Toronto, Canada
I run M80s and VP180 from my AVR without any issues. The levels at where the amp start clipping are higher than what I can handle for a long period of time. For example, on most BD, the amp will start clipping around +5 on the dial and usually when I want to watch a movie loud, I watch it at -8. Keep in mind my room is fairly small (20x11ft). If your room is big and you listen loud, then you might need separates. Try it fist with your current AVR and see how it goes.
And yes, the 180 is a huge improvement over the 150 (in both size and performance smile )
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#350050 - 06/12/11 05:25 PM Re: VP180 questions [Re: bdpf]
MarkSJohnson Offline
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Originally Posted By: bdpf
fist with your current AVR and see how it goes.

Dude, start a thread in the water cooler section. This is even weirder than cars and walls.
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#350053 - 06/12/11 06:12 PM Re: VP180 questions [Re: MarkSJohnson]
bdpf Offline
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laugh laugh laugh
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#350056 - 06/12/11 08:14 PM Re: VP180 questions [Re: steve0742003]
dakkon Offline
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Registered: 02/08/04
Posts: 1863
Originally Posted By: steve0742003
Thanks Dakkon... What are you using to run it? An AVR or separate amp?


Separate amp, 250W @ 8 ohms 500W@ 4 ohms...

The 180 gets all the power it could ever want... i don't know that there would be an audible difference between an AVR and Separate, just that with the separate the speaker will the extra power it wants if you have a large room to fill.

From talking with Brent, 90+% of axioms customers use AVR's to power their equipment, if the amp section on your AVR is rated for 4ohms, you should be fine. I would try the AVR before dropping cash on a separate amp, I would say only buy a separate amp if you are driving your AVR amp into the clipping region...

here are some photos for you vp-150 on top, vp-180 on bottom.




Edited by dakkon (06/12/11 08:17 PM)

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