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#350883 - 06/23/11 12:06 PM Moving CD collection onto home PC
Milford3 Offline
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I have a million CD's I want to load on my PC. I know how to transfer them (CD's) into windows media center, I have Vista Home OS. Now the question. After doing this thing will the music sound better being played by the PC? Or will the sound be the same being played on my Oppo DVD/CD player? My PC is connected to the AVR via USB.

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#350899 - 06/23/11 03:44 PM Re: Moving CD collection onto home PC [Re: Milford3]
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Robert, depending on how you transfer the CD's to your PC the music may sound the same as or worse than, but not better than the original CD recording. Your best case is using flac or another lossless codec to store the CD with no loss of 'musical bits' of data. Using MP3 or other formats will result in compression or loss some of the data and therefore, in theory at least, the copied version will not sound as good as the original. All of this also assumes that your PC can pass the audio stream just as well as your Oppo can.
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#350904 - 06/23/11 04:24 PM Re: Moving CD collection onto home PC [Re: cb919]
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You have a longterm project ahead of you! If I could make a suggestion... don't wait until later to embed album covers in your mp3/flac files (assuming you will wish to at some point) - it may take some extra time, but at least what you've already ripped won't remain in limbo as a 'work in progress' that isn't suitable for permanent backup in a fireproof safe. If you rip and embed all at once, at least you can feel secure that these are finished products that you can do permanent backups of periodically... and believe me, with ALL the work that's involved, you will NOT want to have to do it all over again!!!

You know how you can walk up to your cd collection not knowing what you wanna listen to, see an album cover and think, "ya, that's the one"? Well, that's the benefit of embedding jpg album covers into your mp3/flac files... and you can scroll through your albums visually. It's well worth the trouble!

Generally... if you want to use these on iPods and have the most flexibility in terms of players etc, mp3 is a solid bet. Might as well rip at the best mp3 bitrate of 320kb/s at 'constant' (not variable) bitrate. For most of the public, that is more than sufficient. If you really want the best, even though audibly it's hard to detect much of a difference, than of course rip in flac (or ape, perhaps). But Windows Media Player and others will/may not be able to play these... you'd need a less mainstream player. And it'll take longer to rip flac, because the file sizes are much greater.

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#350913 - 06/23/11 08:52 PM Re: Moving CD collection onto home PC [Re: GrnCdn]
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There is absolutly no difference between MP3 and Flac files when played. The difference is so subtle for the pain and size it take to store flac. 320kb is more than you need.
Buy a good dac and you will be more than satisfied.




Edited by Philippe (06/23/11 08:53 PM)
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#350917 - 06/23/11 09:34 PM Re: Moving CD collection onto home PC [Re: Philippe]
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Originally Posted By: Philippe
There is absolutly no difference between MP3 and Flac files when played.
that would be at the high bit rate of 320.

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The difference is so subtle for the pain and size it take to store flac.
What pain? And storage is cheap. There is something to be said for having a copy of the original which a flac file is. You can use EAC to rip or any number of other flac friendly programs such as Media Monkey or Winamp.
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#350918 - 06/23/11 09:35 PM Re: Moving CD collection onto home PC [Re: Milford3]
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Robert, as Dan pointed out, if you transfer them properly, the sound can be audibly identical to that you now have playing the CDs on your player. One of the outputs(computer compared to player)may be slightly different, and if the sound level of one is slightly higher, you could get the misimpression that it's better rather than just being a little louder, which is corrected with a slight volume increase on the receiver.

To clarify a point, if your receiver presently has an input for the output from the USB, then it has a DAC for converting that output, and of course you don't have to buy one.
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#350926 - 06/23/11 10:03 PM Re: Moving CD collection onto home PC [Re: JohnK]
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Hard drive space is cheap these days. convert to flac with autoflac if you have a receiver or other device that can play flac format (ps3, xbox360 won't do it)
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#350937 - 06/23/11 11:16 PM Re: Moving CD collection onto home PC [Re: terzaghi]
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If i could just chime in with another 'collection' tidbit... you're about to undertake a major 'librarian' chore on. I'd suggest thinking about a naming convention template to apply to your entire collection. Now's the time, before you get you've gone too far and have to go back to change things. Two good free-ware programs that can help with mass renaming of tag info are FileRenamer and TagScanner. I think you can find both at Download.com. Personally, I like my artists displayed alphabetically, but my albums displayed chronologically... so i'd always name my albums in the following format: "(1992) Unplugged", which allowed me to easily organize and display the progression of albums by a particular artist. I also created a vast subdirectory system to help organize each genre/artist/album... and for those that I only ripped/kept a few songs of (far cry from a whole album), I'd name the 'album' tag on those songs as "Various" so that I could just play all the 'various' songs together, which made for a nice hodgepodge listening experience. Anyways... just something to think about before you get too deep into this project of yours. Be prepared to spend 100s of hours ripping, tagging, and embedding album covers to get a kickass digital collection that friends will be envious of. wink

Cheers!

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#350955 - 06/24/11 09:02 AM Re: Moving CD collection onto home PC [Re: GrnCdn]
Milford3 Offline
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Thanks for the input guys. I use my PC for checking e-mail and surfing the web. I'm no GEEK!! First of all I had to look up what FLAC is. Second I had to look up what Winamp and Foobar is. I have my starting point with this project. My PC does have a built in DAC. (No issue there, only took me an hour to find out.) My USB connection to AVR works. I can play youtube songs through my AVR.
Now to stop my head from spinning from all this.


Edited by Milford3 (06/24/11 09:13 AM)

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#350960 - 06/24/11 11:01 AM Re: Moving CD collection onto home PC [Re: Milford3]
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These are all good points mentioned above. A few extra comments from my experience:

1 - To Phillipe's point on MP3 vs FLAC - while from an audible perspective Phillipe is correct - it would be exceedingly difficult to tell flac apart from 320kbps mp3 - a flac or other audio lossless codec will give you a bit for bit identical backup of the original CD, mp3 will not give you that. Then, if you need mp3 or other format in the future you can always convert from the source flac files to whatever format you need. This is a good future proofing solution. Up to you if bit for bit identical back up is important to you or not, but as Jason pointed out, hard disk space is cheap these days and only getting cheaper.

2 - Research and make a plan as has already been suggested. Getting the files and tags and album art all done at once and in a standard way will keep you happier and save you a lot of headaches in the future.

3 - Backup! Even before your done the whole conversion, make regular backups. Hard disks fail for no good reason and you do not want to lose dozens of hours of work!

If you need pointers keep coming back as many of us have digitized our collections and we will all have some advice or different points of view to share.

I personally use EAC to rip my CD's to FLAC, then use MP3 Tag to make sure all of the album art, artist and track tags are the way I like. EAC gets it all mostly right, but I find the fine tuning with MP3 Tag helps. Although the name is misleading, MP3 tag fully supports flac file tagging, along with many other formats.

There are many ways to skin this cat, so research and pick what works for you. Good luck!






Edited by cb919 (06/24/11 11:05 AM)
Edit Reason: Unilanuage ESL issues apparently
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