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Re: MCACC from Pioneer.
JohnK #353835 08/31/11 02:31 AM
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Yes, but if say listening spot 1 needs a bump in a certain frequency in order to be "ideal" and listening spot 2 is right on the mark, and listening spot 3 needs a drop in that same frequency, how can it boost (or drop) the output at that frequency without impacting the other listening spots. Sort of like the Goldilocks problem. Too hot, too cold, just right. Very simplified for only 1 aspect, but substitute delays and echos in for frequency levels and it seems somewhat the same. Their website even states that it "creates clusters" of similar point measurements and then adjusts based off of these 3-5 "clusters" of information. If you are clustering, you are doing some level of averaging or "best case we can manage" for each cluster.

Now don't get me wrong, I think that Audyssey is a good step up in complex room analysis for room acoustics and management via electronic controls over the other products out there. I was just playing devil's advocate that it doesn't mean that it is the end all/be all for everything, just a very complex way to try to get the best for a wider audience, but as soon as you "cluster" you are making some sort of compromise somewhere.

Again, I could also argue the MCACC is designed for single hermits that have no friends, or that the friends they do have aren't worth getting a good acoustical adjustment since MCACC is a single sweet spot only method.

Again, I can play it both ways, and the best part is that I am learning a lot myself. In fact, I am liking the idea of Audyssey for my next receiver more and more.


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Re: MCACC from Pioneer.
nickbuol #353864 08/31/11 09:37 PM
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At this time i run with full MCACC on but only change the M3 and VP150 to small and it sound pretty good.


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Re: MCACC from Pioneer.
Philippe #355518 09/26/11 02:50 AM
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Here is a somewhat interesting comment made on avsforum today, concerning MCACC vs. Audyssey.

Link #2539.

Quote: "There are some of us who came back to MCACC from Audyssey. For me it was the sterile SQ with the audio from the mains and center channel that I didn't care for. No life to it! However, I do use a SVS AS-EQ1 (with Audyssey) for the subwoofer(s) EQ with success. MCACC was designed by those in the studio business (Air Studios) and Audyssey was designed by software designers."


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CatBrat #355524 09/26/11 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted By: CatBrat

For me it was the sterile SQ with the audio from the mains and center channel that I didn't care for. No life to it! However, I do use a SVS AS-EQ1 (with Audyssey) for the subwoofer(s) EQ with success.


Hey I could’ve said that. wink


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Re: MCACC from Pioneer.
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Re: MCACC from Pioneer.
jakewash #355583 09/27/11 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted By: jakewash
I'm pretty sure you have wink


Touché!

BTW love your avatar, always was my favorite character.


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Re: MCACC from Pioneer.
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Thanks, He has been a favorite of mine as well, I have a stuffed toy version of Bill.


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Re: MCACC from Pioneer.
jakewash #355951 10/02/11 01:22 AM
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I still just fail to understand why set the M80's too small. really .... why wast all that money when a set of M22 would do the same job then.
Guess that's why I went wioth the M&K 750's just seemed to me speand more money on a good set on Bookshelf's if I am going to run a sub and set to small and cutoff at 80hrz.

Hey which by the way ....is that not a THX spec ?????? think they maybe onto something ??

Just, if I am cut off at 80 - 100hrz and set to small, then I ain't hearing anything coming form the 80's below 80 -100 anyways


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Re: MCACC from Pioneer.
axiom_man #355953 10/02/11 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted By: axiom_man
why wast all that money when a set of M22 would do the same job then.

You should set it to small so no frequencies below its range get send to them, that way you preserve your woofers and your amp.
Nobody says you need to cross your towers at 80Hz.I like the way my setup sounds the best when I have the M80s and VP180 crossed over at 40Hz, I like the 40 to 80Hz region better from the M80s than the EP600. To me, that plus the flexibility of playing with the cross over and the ability to play much louder if I want to was worth the extra cash. For you and others, it might not and in that case it is best to stick with bookshelves.
What you need to do is experiment and see what sounds best to you.

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Re: MCACC from Pioneer.
bdpf #355961 10/02/11 05:18 AM
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IIRC, 80hz was picked as the THX spec frequency for no other reason than the engineers felt most home speaker systems could play down to that level with out problems.

As Bruno said, nobody says you have to set your crossover that high for speakers that can handle playing lower. I run my M80s at 40 hz or 60hz depending on my mood and media I am listening to. In my old house I had them set at 60hz 90% of the time but in the new place I can run 40hz much more often, it doesn't get boomy anymore as I now have a much bigger room smile


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