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Floorstanders on top of subwoofer?
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Curious if anyone has tried placing M60's or M80's on top of their subwoofer, say an EP350 or EP500 model? I just setup my custom VP180 stand tonight, and had to move my 350 subs further apart, closer to my M80's. Under my screen it is starting to look very cluttered.

I was thinking how it might sound if I spread the 350's out further near the edge of my screen, and put the M80's on top. All this talk about front height speakers, heck, maybe this would give me the best of both worlds. I'm thinking imaging would still be pretty good, coming from slightly above your ears, versus dead on.

What do you all think?


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SirQuack #366006 02/08/12 04:44 AM
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Definitely give it a try. If you like it, keep it that way. If not, put it back. Nice thing about floorstanders is you can move them around whenever you want. smile


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Sure, Randy; if it's convenient, give it a try to see if the effect of higher mains and wider subs is good, bad or insignificant. Height speakers though, don't have any connection with the height of the mains. The material derived for the height speakers from 5.1 or 7.1 movie sources is derived from the surround channels, not the front channels.

Also keep in mind the principle of having the center of the woofer cones at different distances from the room boundaries.


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SirQuack #366011 02/08/12 12:41 PM
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Thanks, I may give it a try to see how it sounds. The rubber feet should help keep any potential vibrations to a minimum. The look might be kind of overwhelming when people first walk in the room. I probably would have to rerun Audyssey, hmmm.

Another point is that would be a long fall if they got tipped over.


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SirQuack #366013 02/08/12 12:43 PM
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Or, you could just cut a big hole in the wall and.... never mind.

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Mark, I knew there was someone. Is your setup still that way, are those M80's? Can you comment on the sound once you moved them ontop of your sub?


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Randy, I only did that for the photo when I first got the Axioms. If I had a second sub, I would have tried it though...if for no other reason than to try to save floor space!

And I have M60Ti's.


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Hi Randy,

I've never listened to M80s placed on top of subwoofers. The latter setup might lessen the upper bass "punch" or "warmth" even if you have them crossed over to your sub at 40 Hz or 60 Hz or set to "Large" simply because there's less floor reinforcement of the lower octaves given the on-top-of-subs placement.

Soundstage height is a personal preference. If your seating location is farther back in the room, it doesn't matter much, but with closer locations (in my case, about 8 to 13 ft) I prefer the higher soundstage I get from my M22s on stands (which is nicely even with my DLP screen height for video), rather than the lower soundstage from my floor-placed M80s. When you're sitting well back from the M80s on the floor, the soundstage height seems perfectly natural.

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Re: Floorstanders on top of subwoofer?
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I don't think raising tweeter height is such a good idea now that I've done that..... If the speakers are used for general entertainment in an area where folks spend most of their time on their feet, it's great. In a HT though, not so great. The speakers I have in my great room for example, I did have them on the floor, so their tweeters were about 46" high (Wharfedale Opus speakers). When entertaining guests, I always felt that something was missing, so I moved them to sit on the fireplace mantel (roughly 16" high). This was a good move - for entertaining. But not so good for TV or Movies.

If you are sitting 20' away or so from the speakers, I suppose it wouldn't matter if they were on top of the subs or not, but I bet you won't like too much if you are sitting closer than say - 15'.

The ohter possibility that I'm open to, is that it's all in my head and doesn't make a damn bit of difference....

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