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New M60s owner impressions…..Disappointment
#376807 05/22/12 05:49 PM
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Did I get your attention?

Hi Axiomdom,

I just wanted to introduce myself and give you my impressions of my new M60s.

First, I want to thank everyone for all of the information I’ve gleaned from the Forum, as well as the website. (I’ve been lurking for over a year.)

After ordering the new speakers, the anticipation just about killed me. I think it was worse than Christmas as a kid. When they finally arrived, I just stared at the boxes for a while, just to soak it in. Savoring the moment, I slowly opened the boxes and marveled at the beauty of them. Very carefully, I hooked them up to my receiver and took a moment. “OK, it’s time” and I powered up the receiver….”Uh oh, what did I do”. I have to say, I was NOT blown away like I was anticipating.

I have been listening to my home grown, two-ways for over a decade and my thought was the M60s were not a tremendous improvement. So much so that I switched back and forth four times between the M60s and my old speakers, relocating them to the same spot each time…what a workout. After the forth swap, I did, indeed, realize the 60s were better speakers, so I decided to keep them.

After a few days, I decided I now need to buy a receiver that’s worthy of the new arrivals. I have been using a Denon AVR-1000 for more than ten years and decided to upgrade. Off to Flea-Bay I went. Picked up a Denon AVR-5700 for $300. (Yes, I know it’s not current, but it’s still eight years newer than what I had and a major step up.) The M60s are sounding better, but still not what I was hoping for. My cheapo CD player was now sounding horrible, but being the tightwad I am, I decided to add an outboard DAC (for an ipod) instead of spending the bucks on a good CD player. After reading the Axiom-like reviews of the HRT iSteamer, I bought one and hooked it up. “Yeah, the new speakers are getting better.”

More reading of the Forum and more research encouraged me to play around with “speaker placement.” WOW, what a difference! Pushed them forward enough of the entertainment center to just clear the tweeters. Toed them in slightly. The M60s are now starting to sound more like the reviews I’ve read.

After listening to them for a couple of weeks, a few observations:
- There are A LOT of crappy recordings out there! I am amazed at how unforgiving (accurate) the M60s are. I now realize that my home-grown, two-ways were coloring everything.
- I can listen to the M60s for hours without getting fatigued. (Couldn’t do that with my old speakers.)
- I find myself watching less TV and listening to more music...Always a good thing.
- I am now ripping all CDs in lossless
- I’m enjoying classical music like I never have.
- The quest for better recordings has now factored into my music purchases.
- Like a good relationship, the more time I spend with the M60s, the more I love them. (Now, if only they had "better internal bracing.” Hee hee)


Getting back to reading the Forums, I started thinking…”Hmm, M80s….NO – NO – NO – Just say no.” And so it begins.

Finally, for the record; I have never been, nor do I ever plan on becoming, a Socialist. AND, I have never participated in a double blind speaker test. ;o)

Thanks again everyone,
Buddy S


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Woodrow #376810 05/22/12 06:28 PM
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very interesting reading, and you made me laugh a couple of times too, like:
- I am now ripping all CDs in lossless.
- There are A LOT of crappy recordings out there!

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Woodrow #376821 05/22/12 08:13 PM
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Why in the world would you want M80's when you could have this~! My vote is a pair of 600's... But, then again... That's just me....



Originally Posted By: woodrow
home grown, two-ways
You did not elaborate about your two-ways at all... if your two ways had 10's or 12's in them, they would likely have more emphasis on the lower frequencies than the 60's, that is what i would suspect anyhow.

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Woodrow #376822 05/22/12 08:14 PM
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It is, in fact, absolutely necessary to use 2 EP600s when watching CNN.


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Woodrow #376826 05/22/12 08:51 PM
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Thanks for the thoughtful post, Woodrow/Buddy S.

I, like you, was expecting more of a WOW factor when plugging in my new Axioms (in my case, M80s). Heck, I auditioned a gigantic pair of Martin Logan speakers a couple of years ago (blanking on the model) and was not WOWed either. Either my ears are really picky or unsophisticated.

Still, like you, with some tweaking on placement, I'm happy overall.

Thanks again for chiming in. Stick around and help us derail some threads from time to time.


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Woodrow #376839 05/23/12 12:17 AM
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Great first post. Stick around, I think you're going to fit in to this nuthouse forum nicely.


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Thanks for the welcome, guys. Dakkon - All I can say is amp and woofer envy...but your "couch" leaves a little to be desired.:) And yes, the two ways had 10" woofers.

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Woodrow #376843 05/23/12 12:57 AM
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I know, his coffee table isn't something I would buy.

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Woodrow #376846 05/23/12 01:38 AM
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Buddy, welcome. Glad to hear how you're now enjoying the more accurate sounds coming through your M60s. Yes, when you've been used to something else for a long time, even an objectively better speaker might not seem great on first impression.

I'll comment that if you wanted to stay with Denon and for about $300, the 1912 factory refurb for about $320 from Accessories4less here would be much more up-to-date in its features. Although the 5700 has a higher maximum power rating, this shouldn't be significant in actual use.

Also, there are excellent quality CD or CD/DVD players available for about $100-$200, and this would seem to be more cost effective than simply buying a DAC.

Yes, classical music is something that can really be enjoyed on better quality equipment. You might take a look at some of the classical recommendations in the "Stunning" thread.


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JohnK #376848 05/23/12 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted By: JohnK

Yes, classical music is something that can really be enjoyed on better quality equipment. You might take a look at some of the classical recommendations in the "Stunning" thread.


I would like to take this opportunity to volunteer Johns time; for him to make a condensed thread to include amazon links to the CD's he has recommended in the past... It took me like a week to go through the above recombined thread above....


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Originally Posted By: Woodrow
but your "couch" leaves a little to be desired.:)


What, it's memory foam!.....



Talk about some spoiled freaking animals.....

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