Axiom Home Page Forums General Discussion The Water Cooler Global Warming - We've Been Here Before

Isn't it interesting that those who tolerate no deviation from the human driven global warming 'truth' end up calling for an end to the discussion contesting the revelation even though that discussion has barely commenced.

In addition to J.B.'s credible statements above ref Greenland, the following is taken from Wikipedia if you choose to believe it:

"What is verifiable is that the ice cores indicate Greenland has experienced dramatic temperature shifts many times over the past 100,000 years".

Interesting, since there was not much human activity for most of the 100,000 years that were studied. Kinda makes sense to me...

TAM

TAM, you keep hammering the fact that Earth's climate has changed over time. I do not think that anybody is arguing with you on that fact. I know that I am not. You don't have to hammer that nail any longer. We get it.

That said, there is the separate question of whether man can have an impact on climate. This impact would superimpose itself on any natural climate change.

Yup, this is the most annoying & frustrating characteristic of this religion...

TAM

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China's industrialization is unfettered by environmental concerns. That is because the Chinese Communist system regards 'Capitalism' as a criminal enterprise which crushes the individual and the environment. Red China's pragmatic experiment with 'capitalism' should have been expected to be an evil parody of the system.

Our industrial facility is essentially clean, what we need are policies which are responsible.

I'm for reasonable regulations to protect clean air and water, but like someone said, let not the perfect be the enemy of the good.

Of course, to be fair, Chinese Communists have no problem with crushing the individual.

By the way, Peter, what's wrong with your pussy?

From Medic: "That said, there is the separate question of whether man can have an impact on climate. This impact would superimpose itself on any natural climate change."

With unfettered human population growth, I'm sure that mankind will have an increasing role in adversely affecting the world's climate; however, what annoys many people like me is how mankind's unproven, supposedly detrimental activities have been presented by the 'gurus' - mostly in an irresponsible & alarmist manner over the past decade.

The scam of international wealth redistribution programs through Carbon Taxes, Credits, Offsets, or whatever, that have been proposed by these folks certainly isn't the answer either. Sadly, the potential for these funds going to nefarious entities is all too real. After all, Mr Mugabe, an avid environmentalist (ha!), was at the Copenhagen conference with his hand out hoping for a windfall of green dollars to come flowing his way. Thankfully he never received any from our government as we didn't sign on to that nonsense...

TAM

Sure, there are always extremists and hyperpartisans, even if they would be so blind as to deny it themselves. But just because someone can be overzealous, overstate something, or even exaggerate something does not automatically mean that they are all wrong and that we should summarily dismiss their concerns. They still could be 90% right. Or half right.

I don't have the answers on global warming. I wish I did. I wish I could rest assured that it is all nonsense, but there is enough of a consensus in the scientific community that greenhouse emissions are an issue of serious concern that I am, in fact, concerned. I'm not advocating a $200 million bike path, but I wouldn't mind seeing more people bike.

I, too, grow weary of people so entrenched on either side of an issue that, to me, is not clear-cut with an absolute truth. I'm thinking global warming, politics, religion, and the merits of tube amps vs solid state amps. It's tough to talk when all that's being done is restating of dogma. It gets old and wears on my soul. I get enough soul-crushing material in my work day, and, I will admit, occasionally in my home life. I focus instead on the positives, which, luckily, outweigh the negatives at work, at home, and here on the boards.

Peace be with you. Good night.