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#414642 - 09/25/15 03:19 AM For Those Who Say All SS Amps Sound the Same
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I don't expect many will read this post, however, for all those who say all solid state amps sound the same, feast your ears on an Odyssey Khartago with the nichikon caps and upgraded 120K mf capacity.

Sonic bliss.

I've had many amps in this system, (no tubes in this one) but nothing has sounded like this! My room is filled with a huge soundstage, rich, beautiful music.

Deuter, Gentle Darkness, Ciro Hurtado, Ayhuasca Dreams, Smetena, Mussorsgy ...

Just arrived today. I can't bring myself to shut it down and go to sleep.

CRAZY GOOD!

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#414645 - 09/25/15 05:10 AM Re: For Those Who Say All SS Amps Sound the Same [Re: 2x6spds]
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And it looks like you didnt have to spend a fortune either. smile Congrats.

Checked out their website. The about us section tells a great story. Like it. Hopefully it lasts you many years.
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#414647 - 09/25/15 08:05 AM Re: For Those Who Say All SS Amps Sound the Same [Re: Serenity_then]
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I noticed an improvement putting the ADA-1000 into our system compared to both a NAD 317 and a Marantz 7800.

The question is - could I notice it under blind conditions?

Sighted tests are funny things ... in the loudspeaker comparisons I did here over the summer, when I knew which speakers were on, I slightly preferred the Legacy Signature SE's @ $6995 per pair to the M100's at $2500-$3000.

When blind, the preference changed, and by quite a bit.
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#414648 - 09/25/15 10:41 AM Re: For Those Who Say All SS Amps Sound the Same [Re: 2x6spds]
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but...but...experts at AVS say blind tests are irrelevent...
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#414651 - 09/25/15 11:07 AM Re: For Those Who Say All SS Amps Sound the Same [Re: Adrian]
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Have the "experts" explain this to Dr. Floyd E. Toole:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrpUDuUtxPM
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#414655 - 09/25/15 01:59 PM Re: For Those Who Say All SS Amps Sound the Same [Re: 2x6spds]
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Déjà vu.
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#414661 - 09/25/15 09:00 PM Re: For Those Who Say All SS Amps Sound the Same [Re: 2x6spds]
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And ... they included a delicious piece of Ghiradelli cherry hazelnut chocolate in the box with the amp. That is class.

It's OK pmb, deja vu all over again. And there you thought the faithful had driven all heretics from this site. I will say, that it has been pretty quiet around here.

Do I recall correctly that it is your scientific conclusion that all (properly designed) solid state amps sound the same?

But, but ... my ears tell me that's not so!

So, who am I to believe? Authoritative pronouncements from those who know it all, or my lying ears?
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#414662 - 09/25/15 10:39 PM Re: For Those Who Say All SS Amps Sound the Same [Re: 2x6spds]
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Originally Posted By 2x6spds
And ... they included a delicious piece of Ghiradelli cherry hazelnut chocolate in the box with the amp. That is class.

It's OK pmb, deja vu all over again. And there you thought the faithful had driven all heretics from this site. I will say, that it has been pretty quiet around here.

Do I recall correctly that it is your scientific conclusion that all (properly designed) solid state amps sound the same?

But, but ... my ears tell me that's not so!

So, who am I to believe? Authoritative pronouncements from those who know it all, or my lying ears?


There is nothing wrong with getting a new amp, firing it up, and loving what it does. This is actually a GOOD thing. Hobbies should be fun.

There is also nothing wrong with a sighted test. When taking a sighted test, the one thing to remember, it's not just your ears that are "doing the listening".

The beauty ... and the beast ... of a properly run blind test is, in this case, ONLY your ears that are hearing the difference.

Sometimes, a guy just wants to have fun, and not worry about whether or not it's scientific.
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#414663 - 09/25/15 11:19 PM Re: For Those Who Say All SS Amps Sound the Same [Re: 2x6spds]
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Exactly Craigsub! The object of our desire, the goal of the pursuit is the achievement of an illusion and time travel. The illusion is being in the presence of and experiencing live music though it was recorded in another place at a previous point in time. A clock radio accomplishes this magic (that we take for granted) but at a low level of verisimilitude. The pursuit of a higher degree is the core of the hobby. Adding a component which dramatically increases the verisimilitude of the reproduction (subjects the listener to the illusion of a live performance ) is not only instantly noticeable but very pleasant.

Source, amplified signal, transducers exciting the air, on the one hand, a pair of ears a brain to process the signals from the sensoria the experience of music which in turn excites the soul...

Anyway, do you need a blind A/B test to confirm the sudden and obvious elevation of the illusion from a lower to much higher level?

Sure, some may say, "Yes." I say, come on over.
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#414678 - 09/26/15 06:41 PM Re: For Those Who Say All SS Amps Sound the Same [Re: 2x6spds]
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Actually, one does need a blind test to determine if one is actually hearing the difference, or if one is experiencing the "It's my new XXX, and it's better" phenomenon.

The reason many insist that "all amps sound the same" is because of the amount of data collected from blind tests.

If an amp is linear in response across the bandwidth and has sufficient current to deliver the SPL required for the performance through the speakers connected, without distortion, hearing a difference will be quite difficult, if even possible, between two amps.

This is why I now have a pre amp level switcher. Should we want to, we could do level matched, blind listening tests with instant A/B switching between two amps through high resolution speakers such as the Legacy Signature SE's or the M100's.

SO ... you are invited anytime to bring your amp over, do the test, and have adult beverages after. smile
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