Axiom Home Page Forums General Discussion Hearing Things LFR-1100's and assorted tests to be done

Ahhh yes. Thank you. I seem to recall now I read somewhere (deaf?) listeners preferred the 301s over the LFR1100s (?) .

I'll vote for GoldenEar for the second time.

Serenity ... I had to check on something ... for your consideration ... In my first "stint" doing reviews, I posted over 700 measurements with TRU RTA over a 6 year time period ... there are certain people that, no matter how much factual information is provided, just want to fight.

LOL ... that was funny.

The truth is more important than the facts .

Yeah, you wont win the crazies over. You know, the "I'm always right and too stubborn to change or yield" folks.

Oodles at AVS and Audioholics.

I would still love to see data accompany your tests. Great info and learning opportunity I think. Where did your old reviews go up? They were subwoofers mostly if I remember. I'm guessing you want to start the review process anew somewhere else?

The "how and where" for these reviews will likely work themselves out. At 55, I am a lot less combative than I was at 45. Getting three kids through the teen years does that to you.

This time around, regardless where the reviews are posted, trolls will just be ignored.

I would REALLY like to have 2 or 3 small GTG's here this winter.

Graphs will be posted - and with the new pre-amp level switcher we have, the tests will be a lot more informative than ever. We can even do instant blind A/B of single speakers in mono.

the title of the thread caught my eye.

The LFR is an interesting speaker, and though you are asking for other speakers that you should look into, I am going to ask for a different tact.

As the LFR is shall we say the top end of the Axiom line and a rather unique design of speaker in it will only work with an external amp and not a receiver due to its external DSP. One of the questions I have had with my purchase was if or how much the selection of the power amp plays to its sound. Will you get the same level of sound stage and quality from a budget minded amp (like a $500 Adcom) compared to a larger to tier amp (like a $5k+ Jeff Rolands or Mark Levinson)

Put the two speakers in the mid point of the room and wire one speaker to one amp and the other to a different one. It's a perfect blind test as unless you follow the wires to see what is actually hooked up you can test A/B against any combination.

Are you getting any bang for you buck with a better or more expensive amp all else held equal.

Matt - I was skeptical that the LFR-1100 would be a step up from the M100's. I have never liked a bi-polar main speaker, dating back to the 1998-2002 era when I had several different Def Tech Bipolars including the BP-2000 and BP-3000 speakers.

The LFR-1100 is actually available as a complete system, with an option to add a 4 channel ADA-1000 into the same chassis as the DSP for an extra $750.

Basically, it's now a $5000 speaker pair (USD) that is DSP and self powered.

Doing a blind test with the LFR-1100 against other speakers will be doable, just more complicated.

To the amp question ... we could easily do a blind test between a pair of amps. I would likely use the Legacy Signature SE's ... they are not only a high resolution speaker, but they are also more difficult to drive, especially in the bass department, than other speakers.

This is really not a "bad thing" ... when one is dropping $7000-$9000 on a pair of speakers, it's appropriate to use a very high current amp, which the Legacy's need in order to thrive.

A couple nights ago, a friend of mine did an impromptu "blind" wine tasting test on a few of us. Two glasses for all of us. We all like both wines, until he showed us "the box". One of the guys was disgusted, and started back peddling on the box wine - saying he didn't like it (but he did earlier). I thought it was hilarious. I went out and bought a few boxes. The other wine was a $125 Napa Cab Sav. The box was from Costco - Botabox.

Blind testing is fun. I'd love to try it with speakers.

Unfortunately there is a lot of 'snobbery' out there - whether it be coffee, wine, cigars, speakers, etc.

I find it not only humourous, but a little pathetic & juvenile as well...

TAM