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#422723 - 01/23/17 12:43 AM Front height Vs. rear surround in 7.1
brendo Offline
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So couldn't resist the temptation of the QS10. Have not gone into the realm of QS speakers yet, Using M3 and M22 so far.
Currently using my M3 as height and 22 as sides. Fronted by M80 and a VP160, powered by 3 channel ADA1250/ EP500.

So Would the QS10 be better as a side rear or a front height?
Currently have couch against the wall as to why my M3 are in front, plus the front stage is huge. Though I suspect the QS will be more forgiving with the being so close to the wall for rear placement.

I also ordered a set of the F.M.B. so have to decide on M3 or M22 for the other placement with the F.M.B.

Thanx in advance for your thoughts

Brendan

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#422729 - 01/23/17 10:40 AM Re: Front height Vs. rear surround in 7.1 [Re: brendo]
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Brendo, the multi-directional QS surrounds (I have QS8s) yield such an immersive experience (without giving up imaging precision), I think you'd greatly benefit from using the QS10s as the side/rear surrounds. If you can mount them up near the ceiling, you may find you don't even require the front height speakers. Mounted near the ceiling, the QS surrounds give a very convincing sense of height. Helicopter flyovers and the like are totally realistic.

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#422731 - 01/23/17 11:57 AM Re: Front height Vs. rear surround in 7.1 [Re: alan]
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Alan, I totally agree on the QS8's. Just watched Pete's Dragon and Revenge of the Sith this weekend and was reminded how awesome the QS series are!
However I am curious with the added 6.5" driver in the QS10, since it faces 'directly' into the room towards the main listening positions, will this make the QS10's more discretely localizable than the QS8's?
My wife was actually asking about them on the weekend and since our HT is small and we sit fairly close to our QS's, I'd be concerned about the added surround drivers firing right towards us.
Part of the magic for me on the QS8's is the way they just disappear yet can be discrete when called to. Will QS10's maintain the disappearing magic?
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#422732 - 01/23/17 03:01 PM Re: Front height Vs. rear surround in 7.1 [Re: brendo]
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Interesting question, Dan. I haven't heard the QS10s, however I can't imagine that Ian would have allowed them to become less immersive or more directional than the QS8s, because their sonic "invisibility", which you alluded to, is the QS models' greatest virtue and selling point.

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#422733 - 01/23/17 03:30 PM Re: Front height Vs. rear surround in 7.1 [Re: brendo]
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The large central driver is goin to carry notes from lower frequencies which tend to be less directional than the upper frequencies. Since most HT setups have an 80hz crossover these drivers will not be carrying a great deal of info . It also will depend on what the crossover frequency is for that driver and whether it is crossed with the top and bottom drivers at 500k or if it has its own independent crossover frequency
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#422734 - 01/23/17 03:47 PM Re: Front height Vs. rear surround in 7.1 [Re: Gr8_White_North]
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Product page has X overs listed at 500 & 2 kHz, so it looks like the 6.5" driver is crossed at 500.

@Brendo - hope this is helping your original question. I have no experience with height speakers so can't comment on that, however as surrounds the QS series (QS8's in my experience) are awesome in 'traditional' 5.1 to 7.2 setups.


Edited by cb919 (01/23/17 03:51 PM)
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#422737 - 01/23/17 07:26 PM Re: Front height Vs. rear surround in 7.1 [Re: brendo]
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Like alan said , put them up high by the ceiling thats where they work best in my experience. i dont think the large driver is going to cause the speaker to draw attention to itself .
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#422808 - 01/27/17 04:16 PM Re: Front height Vs. rear surround in 7.1 [Re: brendo]
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Will try the high on the back wall placement first.

Have been reading a lot of front height vs. rear, on A.V.S., H.T.F. and so on, keep coming to an audessey inc. recommendation of front wide or height and sides before rears.

According to Audessey's frontmen the rear doesn't have enough presentation for our human sound perceptions?

Here on our forum there's not a lot of info on this subject. It seems the person with most experience {GRUNT or Dean} hasn't been here sine 2013.

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#422809 - 01/27/17 04:36 PM Re: Front height Vs. rear surround in 7.1 [Re: brendo]
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I have used my M2's as front wide when i had my denon receiver as my main processor using PLiiz and i liked the added ambiance they provided. When i got my Emotiva processor it only had PLiix so no front wide or height so moved my M2's to the rear and tbh it really wasnt worth the effort to run the wires which i hit inside quarter round i ripped a slot into, and mounting them on the ceiling. Emo is coming out with ATMOS add on but im not sure i really care much about it given the abilities of the QS8's which i mounted up high and just forward of where i sit. For most movies there really isnt that much height information , though i feel the big advantage of ATMOS is the object based audio vs the actual ceiling speakers.
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#424067 - 03/12/17 11:00 PM Re: Front height Vs. rear surround in 7.1 [Re: brendo]
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So Socketman is that you didn't notice much difference with the M2 in rear as opposed to front placement? Or the rewiring from front to rear was more of a pain?

Still thinking either my M3 or M22 with the F.M.B. as front height PLIIz should compliment the Qs10 on sides.

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