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My QS10HP first impressions
#427739 12/19/17 07:31 PM
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Note: these are just my impressions of my first week and I'm no expert or audiophile. Also note, I cuss here and there lol.


I have no basis for comparison to other models.




The two boxes for the qs10hp's arrived decently undamaged.  The third box, the stands, was trashed. Lol.  Luckily, just stands and everything was fine.

I like the crate look of the boxes for the speakers.  Made me laugh.

I don't know if it's a new thing, but I really liked the nice black drawstring bags the speakers came in.  Nice touch.

I set the stands up first.  Then I pulled the speakers out and they were much heavier than I expected/realized. smile

Only because I'm OCD, but i noticed there was a scuff/chip in the finish right above the axiom logo.  Its very small and it's beyond minor and not noticeable unless you are right up close and looking for it. 

I've never held a qs speaker before and all speakers might as well be made of glass to my mind, haha so with that in mind, it felt really awkward trying to hold on to the speaker or set it down without fear of my hand or table touching the speaker/foam.  Silly to most people in sure. Lol

My room is 12(w)x16(L)X8(h).  On the right of the listening position, I have a separation wall to the kitchen/dining room.  Behind the tv and front speakers a small opening to kitchen and hallway.  At back of the room an 8' opening to the dining room.   At the front I have a wall with arches.  If you look through and over these arches you see the split level entrance/landing to the house.  Unfortunately, no carpet and all laminate flooring.  Standard drywall on walls.

From tweeter to tweeter the m80's are 5', 9" apart.  I would prefer a larger spread but my room wouldnt allow it (it would mean either a speaker over in the middle of the floor and entrance to the living room, or tv and stand pushed farther to the left and far off center with main listening position).  That being said, while my sound image is a little constricted, for the room size it still manages to feel spacious enough.  They are slightly toed in to the center/back listening position.

On the left is a big bay window and a sectional couch runs all the way down, around the corner and along the back wall.

At the corners of the back section of the sofa, right near the back wall, I have the qs10's, angled in.  They are just slightly behind my head. The front axiom label and main woofer points at my feet resting on the coffee table...perhaps even my knees.  This puts one of the tweeters directly in line with my ears when relaxing against the back of the couch.  They are 6 feet, 3" apart.  I have some pretty incapable subs at each end of my sectional.

I created 6 brand new mcacc presets.  I did some advanced eq and changed the delay time on a couple.

I still plan to toy with this much more as I'm pretty amateur with mcacc.  For example, I didn't manually set my speaker distances and levels with my decibel metre(not sure if I should try that) and keep those settings and run the rest of the eq.

I'm a guy who likes his bass and before my days of owning a subwoofer, I ran all my speakers hot on the bass.  I had equalizer and would boost the bass slightly, scoop the mids slightly, and raise the high end ever so slightly.   You can blame my years of eq'ing my guitar amps for this lol.

I've come along way since Cerwin Vega party days.

My paradigm monitor 90P's was when I really started to appreciate proper and neutral response.

Now the days of room correction and auto eq....there is no going back for me haha.

That being said...i always used to run my speakers as large.  For this setup, the auto tried to set them all large.  I opted to set them all to small(and for the first time im keeping it!)...with one caveat...i set the crossover to 50hz and the subwoofer to plus.

What i understand of that is this, LFE aside, when listening to music or playing my games, the subwoofers will play ALL bass content below 50hz.  And it's a gradual cut off and the axioms are capable within this range too.  So I'm sure within the 30 to 50hz region I'm getting bass out of the speaker AND the subwoofer....correct?

I've spent many years lurking all the major audio forum boards and I understand that not running an 80 Hz crossover and running the subwoofer as plus is considered blasphemy to some. Lol

All I know is....my system has never sounded so dialed in! It's crisp, detailed, powerful and enjoyable. smile


Listening habits:

70% of my listening is music in the format of flac files via usb into the pioneer, cd's and recently, spotify on the ps4. 

I generally put it on extended stereo to take advantage of all speakers while i motor around the house.  Another reason I was looking forward to a capable surround.  My last surrounds were some 30 watt sound dynamic bookshelves and they could not hang with my axioms.

So in the above application it's about filling the upper house with sound and not about the sweet spot


Well the qs10's deliver in impressive fashion!


It's clear to me that I definitely need more power and I'm missing my rotel 5 channel power amp. frown


That being said, what I can throw at them through the pioneer, they throw their weight.  And the extended stereo effect only has a max of "90" for the effect itself.


I put on many styles of music over the past week.  One of many notable tracks was "I need your love" - Calvin Harris - R3HAB remix.   I took the main grills off and watched the HP driver moved deep and fast.  The bass is tight, controlled and impressive for the size of speaker.  It captured the energy of the song well.


The snoop lion - reincarnated album is full of impressive deep end, but being new age reggae, comes with great dynamics in vocals(guest singers) and other instruments.  The qs10s running in extended stereo did not disappoint.  They kept up with my m80s until i could safely go no further on the volume knob.  I refuse to risk sending clipping signals to the speakers.  My entire upper floor was pressurized with accurate and enjoyable sound.  I could feel it anywhere I walked as I cleaned the house.  When I sat down in the sweet spot, I was engulfed in it.  I can't pin point the sound coming from any speaker, but especially the qs10's.  I was wrapped in a bubble of a high quality sound!


I can't imagine what kind of volume and dynamics I could get if I had more juice!


I went through many hours of classic rock, new hard rock and new pop.


The vocals coming out of the rears are astonishing for being a dedicated rear.  The deep bass and punch of mids are well defined and while I have no basis to compare to past qs models, this is clearly a 3 way speaker.  There is such an accurate finesse to them when needed and some serious fucking horsepower and muscle when also needed.


I knew that the 5HP would be a better fit for my extended stereo listening, but I also wanted a speaker that shined in the home theater department and was forgiving with placement.  The quad polar design was something I really wanted and needed.  And it is no slouch running in stereo.  I plan to be wowed by them for a long way to come.

I played a view of my blu ray concerts in 5.1

Dave Matthews live at radio city;

I felt like I was 5 rows back from the stage. The speakers created such a warm concert hall sound. Could hear audience behind and beside me. I smoked a little herb for this one and they tranced me right out. I felt I was there!


On to movies and games.


Wow.  Just wow.  For the first time, I was damn near speechless.  The wife is getting tired of my "wow"s and "whoooa"s haha.  I know going from a 20 year old 30 watt bookshelf to the axiom qs10HP is quite a leap, so my impressions are obviously going to be skewed. Lol. They blend so seamlessly with the rest of the system and are so brutal in the best way when called upon.


All my sources have been blu ray.


In the past, any movie with a helicopter/aircraft scene(take your pick), when the sound travelled around me, something was lost.  It was thin, subdued, etc.  Now, I feel like that aircraft is in my living room flying by me or landing damn near on me!!  The chest thump of a helicopter blade travels seamlessly around the listening position.  It's had my future wife giving me looks of "what the fuck is happening" haha


She is impressed.  And that is saying a lot.


Guns firing around me have weight to their shots and the tiniest details can be picked out in the chaos....such as the tinkering of shells on the ground, footsteps, clinking of military gear or even breathing.  It's mind blowingly immersive and powerful.  My movies were good before but have taken on a whole new life!


Me and the future wife have spent a couple hours every night when kids are in bed playing resident evil 7 on the ps4.  I believe it's dts 5.1 format.  For any unfamiliar with this franchise, it is a survival horror and is extremely dependent on its sound for atmosphere.  The sound effects and orchestra music are off the charts.  We were playing it before the speakers arrived


...and after...well...it almost rendered the game damn well unplayable for fear of shitting our pants! Haha. The smallest subtleties were heard and engulfed us...from the creaking of the old wood house we were in, somewhere far off in a distant part of the house, to some distant footsteps the floor above and behind us.  These are things not heard before with the surrounds I had before.  One notable moment had me hearing something really faint that I could not see because it was too dark and no flashlight.  I followed the noise according to where I was hearing it and finally came to a window on the perimeter of the house that was broken and the wind was bellowing in and the curtain was blowing about!


We started finding these secret collectables easier.  They are little bobble head things that make a bobbling/clinking sound.  They are scattered in such a way to be difficult to find.  We started finding them much easier because of the qs10's ability to reproduce such accurate and delicate sound.  


When it was time to fight and die, the qs10's flexed their muscle and had me hitting pause often for adrenaline overload haha.  Id have a door slam behind me at the very moment the intense and scary orchestra soundtrack would triple in volume....i could feel the door slam like it was slamming on the side of my head.  I could feel it in my chest.



Final conclusion:


These speakers are amazingly capable and immerse me in a full surround sound field, never before experienced.  Accurate, powerful and most importantly FUN!  And that's what the audio experience is about for me at the end of the day.  It's why most of us obsess over this stuff I suspect.


I have lots more to experience and a lot more tweaking, but my first week with them has been very impressive.


Highly recommended!


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Great writeup.

It's not just you feeling awkward after picking up a QS speaker. Not sure about the QS4's, but certainly picking up a QS8 is pretty disconcerting until you remember that it is OK to put it down on its back.

If you remember the old "Operation" game, try picking up one of the QS's, taking off the bottom grill, and then balancing it on a couple of soup cans without anything touching that shouldn't.



(they are on QS stands now)


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Haha love the soup cans! Thanks for sharing lol

Yeah I ended up resting them on the back for the few minutes they sat on my table.


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Thanks for the write up. This is the 1st review I've seen on the QS10's. I hear ya on the creepy surround sound video games! Enjoy.


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They work well in a 12' wide room. Just what I was hoping to hear. Thank you.



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Great write-up. My sides are 22' apart. I haven't decided on QS10HPs or M5HPs or maybe M80s.


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The panorama effect makes things look "off" but gives a good idea what's going on in my place:)



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I like the foot shot. Nice write up!

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Haha thanks

I should note: I once upon a time had the speakers on the opposite wall and it allows a much better spread and no arches behind the tv...

But after the divorce I ended up with this sectional and it doesn't fit properly on that end of the room.

I'm renting this house for now so just making due.


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One of the things I like about my QS8s is that they are up and out of the way. A floor-standing surround gets in the way and ends up being in a listener's face. The diffuse sound also works very well in my room now and gives a very wide sound stage in DPLII.

I wonder however how much better the sound might be with the QS10HPs. I also wonder if the QSs might sound better in a larger room like mine if they had a less diffuse radiation pattern. For example, if the top and bottom firing drivers were angled 30 or maybe 45 degrees into the room.


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Oh my fucking god!!!

...i dialed this in even more!

I manually set my distances and levels and ran some different eqs through mcacc.

I have a preset just dialed in to a T for movies!

And watching the opening scene to James bond Spectre....is making my jaw hang on the floor.

These qs10 are something else!


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But dude...you are using the QS10s as headphones according to your pics smile

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Better than using them as long distance walkie talkies wink haha

I wish I had a room your size smile


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Originally Posted By Mojo
One of the things I like about my QS8s is that they are up and out of the way. A floor-standing surround gets in the way and ends up being in a listener's face. The diffuse sound also works very well in my room now and gives a very wide sound stage in DPLII.

I wonder however how much better the sound might be with the QS10HPs. I also wonder if the QSs might sound better in a larger room like mine if they had a less diffuse radiation pattern. For example, if the top and bottom firing drivers were angled 30 or maybe 45 degrees into the room.


I personally don't think it's ideal to have them too far above your listening position. 2 feet max. I've experienced it in many a home theater and feel it really creates an awkward sound field for me.

I do wish I could have a wider spread though (front and back)

20 something feet though? Hardcore wink


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They're massive



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Have you tried placing the M80s on each side of the window? Careful though...you may not be able to move them back.


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No haven't tried that. My furniture wouldn't allow a layout like that. Even if I could it would eat the room up in an awkward way

We are hoping to buy a house this year. And we definitely will be eying up a friendly room for my equipment! smile


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Who cares what the furniture looks like in the room. It's about the audio. smile


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Sorry but aesthetics (including hiding wires & cables) are very important to many of us, especially if there is a lady in the house, ha!...

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Out with those who don't appreciate audio!


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Fortunately in my setup, audio & aesthetics mesh...

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The only thing that matters in my house is audio. I could not care less about aesthetics.

As I sit here and listen to Calcutta Blues by Dave Brubeck while sipping a fine Chardonnay and munching on smoked Gouda, organic Medjool dates, honeycrisp apples, Algerian tangerines, gypsy salami, fig and olive raincoast crisps, and melted Toblerone chocolate, life is good and it's going to get better when my son arrives from out east.

But life could be even better with M100s. smile


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Lmao. All sounds good except...chardonay, smoked gouda, tangerines and fig crisps?

I'll take some A-grade sativa, a cold beer, a bowl of pistachios and some dire straits - alchemy blu ray, instead wink

My sectional couch only fits one way in this rental house. I talked to the wife about new furniture be we are going to wait until we buy our own house (hopefully this year).

I think, with proper planning, aesthetics can go hand in hand with good audio. And call me OCD, but I feel it's just as important.

Like exlab said, no wires showing, everything run neatly and organized behind the brains of the audio operation. Clean installation.

I look forward to having a bigger space to get a wider spread for the whole system. And hopefully it allows me to have the qs10's on the wall.

Ideally for me, I'd love to see my m80's 10 feet apart. And perhaps the surrounds at 12 to 14 feet apart. And it will be in a drywalled and carpeted basement I hope. I'll also be going to 7.2.2 at some point but that's a long ways down the road.

Perhaps I don't trade my m80s in when I buy the m100's...who knows what I do with that wink

The future wife is pretty tolerant of my audio obsession, but she has limits I'm sure. Lol


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You better find out what those future wife limits are right now and if they don't mesh with yours and you can't get her to see eye to eye, punt her! Life's too short to compromise on audio for too long. LOL!

I have beer, pistachios and Dire Straits as well. I'm just not in that kind of mood today. I also have Smilax ornata from time to time courtesy of my grade 11 physics teacher who got me hooked on it. I'm totally non-linear dude even though I'm an engineer. smile


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Isnt that native medicine to treat syphilis? *grin*
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Haha I kid. All sounds good and like your eclectic tastes

Her limits are pretty vast and compromising. She's pretty supportive.

Priorities though...i need my own house to make my own. Especially in regards to audio and home theater.

She knows the next purchase is an ep800...after we are in a house.


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Although I love the 800, I am not sure anyone needs it. I have a 4,200 ft^3 A/V space open to the rest of the house and after calibration, the 800's gain control is at about 40% of max. This by the way is the factory default setting (is this coincidence?).

Slimpikins has a 10,000 ft^3 space and the 500 appears to be working well for him. I think the 600 is about as deep as anyone needs and the 500 may be good enough. Getting a couple of 500s may result in better bass for you if you care how it sounds to others besides you at the MLP.

BTW, with the 800, I've turned the bass volume up to about 70% and it remains tight and controlled with no audible distortion. This is certainly bass-head level in my room and I much prefer the calibrated setting. Ian has just finished the DSP code for a "gut punch" mode and I am looking forward to trying that out (see thread below). Ian is also looking at Air-enabling the DSP-based subs and including pre-built modes and getting rid of all the "hard" switches and dials on the amp. It would be cool too if we could create our own custom curves and even cooler if the sub could EQ itself via a microphone.

https://www.axiomaudio.com/boards/ubbthreads.php/topics/427740/'Nad_Tickler_or_Gut_Punch_-_it#Post427740


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Wow, I was monitoring that sub thread for awhile but didn't realize he actually chimed in and is going to adjust the dsp for "gut punch"

I need overkill. It's my nature. I love bass too so that helps lol. But I can't be left with what ifs. I'll be buying the ep800 for sure. And for my room especially, I realize it's overkill...but I need that. Lol. If i move and my space doubles in size...it just means I can make due comfortably until I buy a second one wink haha

I too would be interested in dsp modes with different characteristics.

I'm okay with them dropping the physical dials/switches...as long as all those features can still be adjusted and the interface on whatever electronic device, is similar.

It's nice to adjust things from the listening position (s)

P.s. loved hearing about how you couldn't produce distortion or anything when pushing it that hot. Very encouraging



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"P.s. loved hearing about how you couldn't produce distortion or anything when pushing it that hot. Very encouraging"

That is your friendly neighbourhood DSP at work.

I really don't need any DSP modes, my house's structure can hardly handle what I throw at it now...

TAM

Re: My QS10HP first impressions
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He's planning a web-based, Android and iOS app just like the Axiom Air.


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Out in the mid or far field
Dedicated mid-woofers are over-rated
Re: My QS10HP first impressions
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