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#428951 - 03/05/18 11:58 PM M80 v4 midrange sounds dull and lifeless
starletgt92 Offline
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I have a new set of M80v4 which replaced my old M80ti and the difference in dynamics in the midrange is extremely noticeable. M80v4 have minimal playtime yet and have not been broken in fully. Id say around 20 hours play time. Im using the same amp on both and its not the same and I actually enjoy my m80ti over the V4's.

Can I expect them to sound better overtime or is the crossover just changed this drastically that this is just the way they sound?

Just to be clear Im very familiar with Axiom products as I have a set of M60, M3, M22, QS8, VP150 and 100.

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#428952 - 03/06/18 12:22 AM Re: M80 v4 midrange sounds dull and lifeless [Re: starletgt92]
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#428953 - 03/06/18 05:25 AM Re: M80 v4 midrange sounds dull and lifeless [Re: starletgt92]
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What do you mean by dull and lifeless? Do you mean the midrange is further "back" in the soundstage? I find my M80v2 midrange is "forward" to the point where a centre vocalist or instrument is off the soundstage. While this presentation isn't accurate, I like it. smile

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#428954 - 03/06/18 09:10 AM Re: M80 v4 midrange sounds dull and lifeless [Re: starletgt92]
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Are you using some room correction like Audyssey? If yes, did you re-calibrate with new speaker? Such a change in placement seems like excessive room correction adding too much delays.
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#428955 - 03/06/18 10:45 AM Re: M80 v4 midrange sounds dull and lifeless [Re: starletgt92]
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Eric, my M80v2 are 11 years old and they sound that way with or without Audyssey and with different receivers and amps. It's the way they are.

I'm trying to understand what's different about the v4 when it comes to soundstage but all the feedback I hear is related to improved tweetage and bass. I find this very difficult to believe given all the effort Axiom has put into family of curves research. Either owners aren't setting them up correctly or their rooms blow dead rats or all they listen for is loudness.

There's been no explanation from Axiom on how their research has improved the soundstage for non-omnidirectional models. Such an explanation could help drive sales.

BTW, I'll just say again that I have a 22 foot wide soundstage with the M80s and great imaging across this width but no depth. Ian keeps telling me I need LFRs for depth but I keep wanting to believe I can get away with M100s or M80v4.

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#428956 - 03/06/18 11:44 AM Re: M80 v4 midrange sounds dull and lifeless [Re: Mojo]
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I am using no correction as I use them with a 2 channel integrated tube amp. What I mean with dull and lifeless is that the soundstage sounds as if there is a veil. The midrange feels like its missing and when I switch back to my original M80ti the music comes to life with so much more dynamics in the soundstage.

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#428957 - 03/06/18 11:53 AM Re: M80 v4 midrange sounds dull and lifeless [Re: starletgt92]
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If you have the dual binding posts, check that the shorting bars are connected between the two pairs. If not, something's busted inside.

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#428958 - 03/06/18 10:58 PM Re: M80 v4 midrange sounds dull and lifeless [Re: Mojo]
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Mojo, that is good advice. When I set up my M80s (used), I liked them, but found something lacking. Turns out they had no jumpers. I was listening to some big M22s. Ian sent me some jumpers and I finally got to listen to the M80s with all drivers functioning. A Significant improvement.


Edited by 2x6spds (03/06/18 10:58 PM)
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#428963 - 03/07/18 01:39 PM Re: M80 v4 midrange sounds dull and lifeless [Re: starletgt92]
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Barring any defects or loose connections, do yourself a favor and put your other speakers away and listen to the new ones. Give them a couple weeks see how you like them and go from there. Your just confusing things by switching back and forth. Why would you buy new speakers to have them sound the same as what you already have, think about it.
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#428964 - 03/07/18 04:14 PM Re: M80 v4 midrange sounds dull and lifeless [Re: starletgt92]
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Switching back and forth is known as comparing. Comparing to a reference is a valid form of cognition for both biological and synthetic systems.

It certainly doesn't sound like he's confused because he's quite certain his new speakers sound veiled which means there's a defect in the system and most likely with his new speakers.

Your logic suggests he should keep his new speakers just because they sound different than his old speakers. That doesn't make sense to me.

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