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#430147 - 09/28/18 11:13 PM Re: M5HP vs M60HP [Re: TroyD]
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My ears are 34" off the floor, my M80s are 9' apart and I sit 12' away on the diagonal. The centre image is great! Are your mids and tweeters working? If you have dual binding posts, is the shorting bar in place?

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#430305 - 10/08/18 09:12 PM Re: M5HP vs M60HP [Re: TroyD]
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If they were out of phase then why do these new ones sound perfectly imaged. And the Anthem came back with no errors after check.

and yeh of course I re ran the ARC, I mean going from M80 to M22 I wouldn't expect it to be equal
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#430306 - 10/08/18 09:16 PM Re: M5HP vs M60HP [Re: Mojo]
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Originally Posted By Mojo
My ears are 34" off the floor, my M80s are 9' apart and I sit 12' away on the diagonal. The centre image is great! Are your mids and tweeters working? If you have dual binding posts, is the shorting bar in place?


OMG Yes the bar is in place. ...all tweeters are working fine and mids.

If this was the case ,then why would they sound great upstairs.

How bigs your room the speakers are in ?

Doesn't matter now, I spent 6 months screwing around that I sold the M80's and bought M22's and so much better.
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#430312 - 10/09/18 12:01 AM Re: M5HP vs M60HP [Re: TroyD]
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Glad to hear you found a way to keep enjoying your theater. At the end of the day we all hear different thing differently and the room has so much more of an effect than most people want to admit or are willing to realize. Anytime someone is unhappy we love to accept the challenge of making it right and since we are not there we can only share our ideas for everyone to try. So go easy, and try not to insult anyone by saying OMG , thats just not nice.

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#430315 - 10/09/18 01:13 AM Re: M5HP vs M60HP [Re: TroyD]
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My room is 4,200 ft^3. I've also had the 80s 7' apart, flat against the wall and sitting 8' away. I've never heard them sound the way you describe.

As for the shorting bars, I knew it was a stretch but I had to ask because that was the culprit a few times here on the boards.

BTW, quit upsetting Richard 'cause he's not the stallion he used to be.

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#430498 - 11/18/18 06:08 PM Re: M5HP vs M60HP [Re: TroyD]
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Like TroyD, I experienced an "on the floor image" with my recently acquired M3v4 when I placed them in my living room. These are the same M3v4 that soundstaged so beautifully and filled in my 4,200 ft^3 space.

I first tried them on the short wall and imaging was great but for a few reasons other than just acoustics, I decided to try them on the long wall. I placed them on either side of the bow window about 3 feet into the room and made an equilateral triangle with my MLP. The acoustic width was awesome. However, the front image of many songs was on the floor with all other songs sounding like they were being played by little people. I moved the M3s so they were only a foot into the room, moved my MLP to form the equilateral triangle and BAM...the soundstage was raised to normal! This works well for me.

What I don't know yet is how much soundstage depth I've given up. I have a lot of room treatment to do to clean up the sound. There's depth there for sure but nothing like my main A/V room. It's also worth noting I could not replicate this with my 10 year old Dreamcatchers. Of course the Dreamcatchers don't image anywhere close as the v4. It wasn't a case of distance between the speakers or distance to the MLP. Since I had the M3s four feet away from the front wall in my main A/V space and they imaged very well, I can only conclude that the bow window focused a portion of the M3s' polar responses towards the floor.

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