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#430713 - 12/16/18 11:04 PM Re: Ordered M60, VP150, now thinking M5's and VP180... *** [Re: Dragbug]
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If you remove them, it might create a resonance with the mounting surface.

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#430716 - 12/17/18 09:32 AM Re: Ordered M60, VP150, now thinking M5's and VP180... [Re: Dragbug]
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That's a good point but I could put some rubber padding our felt under it. I just want to lower it some and see if that helps. I just didn't know if the feet where removable.
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#430719 - 12/17/18 11:09 AM Re: Ordered M60, VP150, now thinking M5's and VP180... [Re: Dragbug]
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I think they are. They must be come to think of it because the 160 and 180 can also screw on an axiom center stand.

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#430720 - 12/17/18 11:17 AM Re: Ordered M60, VP150, now thinking M5's and VP180... [Re: Dragbug]
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There was some tool looking thing that came with each speaker in a packet. I didn't see anything that explained what it was. Any idea? Maybe that's what removes the feet?
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#430721 - 12/17/18 02:57 PM Re: Ordered M60, VP150, now thinking M5's and VP180... [Re: Dragbug]
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You may have been given two tools. One is an Alan key to remove the screws for mounting to the center stand and the other is a plastic wench to tighten the speaker posts.

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#430731 - 12/17/18 11:32 PM Re: Ordered M60, VP150, now thinking M5's and VP180... [Re: Dragbug]
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That reminds me... I put the VP180 on the stands without doing up the screws to make sure the height was OK... but that was a couple of years ago.

I guess it's safe to put the screws in smile

I ordered my VP180 with stand - don't believe it came with feet, just a rubber gasket-thing to go between stand and speaker.


Edited by bridgman (12/17/18 11:32 PM)
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#430732 - 12/18/18 12:15 AM Re: Ordered M60, VP150, now thinking M5's and VP180... [Re: Dragbug]
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Just a plastic wrench basically is all any of the speakers came with. Thanks though.
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#430734 - 12/18/18 11:42 AM Re: Ordered M60, VP150, now thinking M5's and VP180... [Re: Dragbug]
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My friend got his replacement 8500 so I hooked up the Denon 6500 last night even though I am still waiting for the new M60 Driver (Deb just sent it yesterday). What can I say, I am impatient.

I ran the Audyssey calibration. After the first 3 steps you get the option to stop or continue so I stopped there as I didn't see any need to go further. Just running a 5.1 setup. Audyssey set everything to large and 40hz so I changed them to small and set to 80hz. Sub was set to 120hz and left it there for now.

1. Just some quick observations, Audyssey really had to crank the level up on the M2's. Poor things are getting wore out I think.

2. Denon raises/lowers the volume up by .5 ......why....oh well.

3. I am using absolute volume 0-99. On the Sony 1080, 30 was normal listening volume for most TV listening. 35-40 was pushing it pretty good especially for Dolby and DTS Movies. On the 6500 and even when I ran the 2300, I have to turn it up to 45 or higher to get the same volume....even with these new larger speakers. On the 2300 I thought it was just because it was less powerful but with the 6500 I know that's not the case. I know both Denon units have Input Source that can raise the volume per source but is that the correct way to do it?

4. Oddly, the Denon interferes with the Roku player somehow. When I had the Denon 2300 hooked up I had Roku issues but had no idea it was the Denon causing it. Issues were playback but also control which were odd. When I bought the Sony 1080, all Roku issues went away. As soon as the 6500 went in, all the old Roku issues started again accept the playback issues. I have not had them yet. Just control issues. It's really strange.

5. The speakers sound great though regardless of the small gripes. The gripes don't have anything to do with the speakers themselves. They sound great or at least as good as they are going to sound in the space they are forced to be in. I just need to upgrade the surrounds, add height speakers and I know I will be even more amazed. I could use a better base speaker too. Although I am still impressed with this little Sony base speaker.
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#430737 - 12/18/18 07:18 PM Re: Ordered M60, VP150, now thinking M5's and VP180... [Re: Dragbug]
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If the M2 is distorting, try a 150Hz cut-off for it.

0.5dB gain resolution sometimes makes all the difference in establishing a more comfortable listening level.

Comparing gain levels across receivers makes sense only when the receivers and speakers both carry the same THX certification. Sources are also a factor.

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#430738 - 12/18/18 07:44 PM Re: Ordered M60, VP150, now thinking M5's and VP180... [Re: Dragbug]
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No distortion what so ever that I can hear coming from the M2. But they are much quieter than my other speakers (referring to the M22's). I noticed this even before getting the M60 and VP180 when I ran the Sony calibration. It raised the level pretty good about +8 or +9 especially on the left one. I have two other ones not being used I may swap out. The surrounds have been abused a lot more than any of my other speakers due to there location. They have fallen over often but have really proven to be very tough!

Meh, that .5 db in volume is a pain living in my house. The difference in volume that is comfortable for me is way different for my wife. She might be ok with say 25-30 but because of my hearing loss, I like it around 40-45. Not a big deal in the day time but at night after she goes to bed it's a bit more difficult as I have to man the controller to quickly turn it down when loud scenes start blasting. Takes a bit to run down the volume when it goes in .5 increments and then run it back up. I did see there is some new tech in there that might help but I really don't like using those gimmicks because I always forget to turn them off when I don't need them. Anyway, just complaining smile

I don't think either of these receivers have THX certification. I think the last receiver I had that was THX certified was a Yamaha something 01. Awesome receiver really in it's day.

Over all, aside from my complaints, I am liking the Denon sound quality. It's really making the speakers stand out. Looks like the oddities of the 2300 I previously had are just Denonisms. I might buy the 6500 from my friend and send back the Sony 1080. Think I am still within my return dates as well. Also bought it within the Holiday return period from Best Buy. Guess I will just have to get used to the Denonisms.
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