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#432187 - 05/12/19 12:41 PM Re: Finally Sat Down and Listened to LFR1100s +.2 [Re: 2x6spds]
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Ahhh!

1 x 8" driver, more coherent, less dependent on the cross-over for good sound.
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#432190 - 05/12/19 02:09 PM Re: Finally Sat Down and Listened to LFR1100s +.2 [Re: 2x6spds]
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An 8 inch driver would be prone to beaming. It would totally destroy the Family of Curves. On the other hand, too small a driver has no balls. Four to five inches appears to be a good design compromise. And as you know from your Axioms, when two of the Axiom 5.25" mid-woofers are used, the sound is very dynamic and life-like. Unlike my v2, I now have absolutely nothing but praise for the v4 mids. Although a single mid is great, I can hear the value a second mid adds. Even with just a single, the snap, pop and sheer fidelity of the v4 is addictive.
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#432191 - 05/12/19 03:04 PM Re: Finally Sat Down and Listened to LFR1100s +.2 [Re: 2x6spds]
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Harbeth must have cracked the code.

Harbeths with an 8" driver sounds pretty darn good ... as in the best sounding speaker (except for the Wilsons) I've ever heard.
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#432193 - 05/12/19 03:21 PM Re: Finally Sat Down and Listened to LFR1100s +.2 [Re: 2x6spds]
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That says a lot! Because they don't have a dedicated mid-range driver, I would not have expected those Harbeths to sound as good as an M5.
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#432194 - 05/12/19 06:31 PM Re: Finally Sat Down and Listened to LFR1100s +.2 [Re: 2x6spds]
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Originally Posted By 2x6spds
Harbeth must have cracked the code.

Harbeths with an 8" driver sounds pretty darn good ... as in the best sounding speaker (except for the Wilsons) I've ever heard.


Off Axis, the 8 inch driver does "beam" quite a bit - it's about 10 dB less linear in the 2000 Hz range than is the Mini T (Soundstage). If you do most of your listening on axis, this won't be an issue.

The Harbeths share a similar response curve to most Magnepans. It's typified with an 80-120 Hz at higher (6 dB is about the number) output than the rest of the speaker, giving a lush sound. If one does this without odd order harmonic distortions, it's a very seductive sound.

The only downside for music is trying to integrate with a subwoofer. This is a conversation over music and scotch.
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#432195 - 05/12/19 07:09 PM Re: Finally Sat Down and Listened to LFR1100s +.2 [Re: 2x6spds]
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I suppose if you listen in the near field, the effect of the beaming is not so bad.
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#432196 - 05/12/19 08:40 PM Re: Finally Sat Down and Listened to LFR1100s +.2 [Re: 2x6spds]
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So, I've been listening to the LFR1100s today and enjoying them a lot!

I'm driving them with 2 of the 7 channels of the Integra Research RDA 7. I'm thinking maybe they would like the Conrad Johnson 70 wpc tube amp I have not yet sold. Might just try it out and report back.
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#432197 - 05/12/19 09:09 PM Re: Finally Sat Down and Listened to LFR1100s +.2 [Re: 2x6spds]
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Most excellent - and I should add that I am looking at some Maggies now to add to the collection. The Harbeths also are tempting, but with a pair of PS Audio M700's to drive them, the Maggies are probably a better choice.

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#432198 - 05/12/19 09:27 PM Re: Finally Sat Down and Listened to LFR1100s +.2 [Re: 2x6spds]
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I hear the Maggies throw an excellent soundstage but they have a tiny nutsack, right?

Also those Ohms, as excellent as you say they are in fidelity and soundstage, can't come close to the 1100s in dynamics, right?
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#432199 - 05/12/19 11:01 PM Re: Finally Sat Down and Listened to LFR1100s +.2 [Re: Mojo]
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If one crosses Ohms at 40 Hz, they can take a clean 1000 watt signal, and will rock the house. Paired with an EP800, they are state of the art - but so are the 1100's.

Until I try the Maggies in house, I can't say they lack "nads," but the 0.7's I listened to in a store played louder than I ever care to listen at home. And that is the $1400 set.

The 1100's, on the other hand, REALLY can go loud. My 1100 system was half the sound system for the live band at the 35th anniversary party. If memory serves, Ian also added a pair of M100's. Macro dynamics in the 1100's is off the chart. It's more than I can take for listening.


Edited by craigsub (05/12/19 11:04 PM)
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