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#433124 - 08/29/19 06:53 PM Re: ADA1500 - Trigger Cable [Re: SRoode]
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Great feedback. When you say the sound was much clearer, tighter, etc, what was your volume setting on the Denon relative to zero?

How far away are you sitting from the 80s, how far apart are they and how far are the front baffles from the front wall?
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#433131 - 08/29/19 07:45 PM Re: ADA1500 - Trigger Cable [Re: SRoode]
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The Denon was set at 75 of 98, higher than that it started to become uncomfortable to listen to.

I sit 11 feet away from the speakers, and they are 11 feet apart. The front baffle is 28" from the front wall.
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#433134 - 08/29/19 07:57 PM Re: ADA1500 - Trigger Cable [Re: SRoode]
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I don't know what that is relative to zero. I can tell you with my Onk, I didn't notice a difference on well-recorded material until -2 or -3. At that setting, the M5s weren't exceptionally loud at 14 feet away but I could tell the Onk's compressor was kicking in on peaks. At 0, I could hear distortion. The M100s on the other hand are plenty loud even around -7. As soon as I put the 1500 in, I could drive the M5 to satisfyingly loud levels and that opened up the soundstage and fullness even more. With the 1500 and M100, I can easily melt my ears.

You have good dimensions other than distance to front wall. You should have width and height but little depth in your soundstage. If you can experiment with that front wall distance, you'll be rewarded with amazing depth.
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#433135 - 08/29/19 08:07 PM Re: ADA1500 - Trigger Cable [Re: SRoode]
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The new Denon came out of the box in 0-98 mode, but I can switch it to db mode. I'll do it this weekend and let you know the db level.

How far off the front wall do you recommend I have the front baffle of the M80s?
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#433136 - 08/29/19 08:15 PM Re: ADA1500 - Trigger Cable [Re: SRoode]
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This is my current front speaker layout.

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#433137 - 08/29/19 08:25 PM Re: ADA1500 - Trigger Cable [Re: SRoode]
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Yes, please let me know about dB setting. I am just curious.

I wasn't thinking about M80s when I was referring to depth. I was thinking M5. No matter what I did with my M80v2, I could not get depth. I actually couldn't really get a soundstage. The layers of sound were on top of each other and images were fuzzy. With any of the v4, the layers are there with the images nicely placed and blackness in between. The actives will improve upon this holographic effect.

Feel free with moving the 80s away from the front wall to try to get the depth. Then, replace them with the M5s and let's see what you hear.

Nice room BTW!
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#433163 - 08/31/19 04:42 PM Re: ADA1500 - Trigger Cable [Re: SRoode]
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Thanks Mojo!

I switched over to db mode. At my loud listening setting, the Denon is at -6.0 db. Using my iPhone DB meter app, and measured at my primary listening position 11 feet from speakers, I peak at 94 db and average 89 db. Any louder than this is uncomfortable to listen to at that distance. There is no clipping or distortion whatsoever. The ADA1500 is amazing, it barely gets warm.



Some exciting news! I contacted Ian about a trade in for my 12 year old M80s, and 13 year old QS8s (Surround only, I'd keep a pair of QS8's as my rears). I didn't think he would want them back because of their age but Ian made a great trade in offer so I pulled the trigger. I'll be getting a pair of M100s to replace my v2 M80s, and a pair or QS10HPs to replace my v2 QS8s (surrounds only)! I am super excited and cannot wait.

Ian is really a terrific person. My wife said if they ever have another anniversary get together up there we are definitely going!
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#433164 - 08/31/19 05:00 PM Re: ADA1500 - Trigger Cable [Re: SRoode]
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Man, I am so happy for you! You will have the same as I...except I have the 160. You'll see what an amazing upgrade the v4 is! Ian just wants elated customers.
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#433165 - 08/31/19 05:34 PM Re: ADA1500 - Trigger Cable [Re: SRoode]
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Ok, SRoode, my soon-to-be-oh-so-floored-by-the-v4 friend, let me share this with you. At -6 on my Onk, through the 1500/M100/800 v4 trio and Spotify Premium on my Chromecast Video, I am recording peaks of 96dBC at 12.5 feet away. If I crank my Onk to max (+14.5), I hit peaks of 116dBC which I consider to be the max for the 100 and 1500. The 100 is crossed over at 80Hz.

-6 is very comfy for me for this song and the soundstage is very nice. At 0, it gets tactile and +4 is getting uncomfortable on my chest.

The song is the very well-recorded September in Montreal.

https://open.spotify.com/track/796kuTmB7Pz3YuYbChu58s?si=syV7dPRIQSqy90EZEhhpWw
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#433166 - 08/31/19 06:57 PM Re: ADA1500 - Trigger Cable [Re: SRoode]
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So awesome! You know it's something special when your wife is egging you on to do the upgrade because she even said the M5HP'ss sound better than the M80 v2's. I can't wait to hear them.

BTW, I may have a VP180, but it's not even an official v2 or v3. I asked Ian years ago if he could make a center modeled off the M80 and he contacted me and told me he had been thinking of doing that. I suggested some things, an Ian listened to my input and correct a lot of my mistakes. Several months later the VP180 was ready. Mine is a little different because I asked for the older drivers with the black center to match my other speakers, so it's probably somewhere between a v2 and a v3. My wife asked him to sign it for me and he graciously did. So, although it probably does not compare to the current offering, it's very special to me and will never be traded in.
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