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Re: I might need some help! Rebulx #439647 11/12/20 01:56 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 912 Likes: 4 Toronto C casey01 aficionado
casey01 aficionado C Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 912 Likes: 4 Toronto	Back in the summer, in order to not have to spend alot of dough while waiting for their new pre-pro, I bought an RX-V1085 on sale as a stop gap. I use outboard amps. From what I gather the AI is suppose to be really only used for multi-channel situations i.e. movies. You can see what is going on with the audio when you bring up the information page whereas in one corner it shows the AI(or DSP soundfield) where in the bottom left hand corner it is showing the audio. If the movie is in Dolby Atmos, or whatever AI or not, it continues to display that in the opposite corner. I have never even considered it for two channel music and I doubt that is the purpose. From what I hear, if you have a movie sound field on, the AI replaces that DSP function and pressing the button again brings it back to whatever you were previously listening to. The second page shows in the bottom left hand corner, a circle that is constantly moving displaying what is going on in the AI soundfield. Ultimately, I would agree that the AI is just another simplifying tool for the "non-geeks" who don't want to bother tinkering with the DSP to fine tune their sound. I am NOT one of those. I am a tinkerer.

Re: I might need some help! Mojo #439651 11/13/20 01:19 AM
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aaaaaaaaaaaaa connoisseur A Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,037 Likes: 69	Originally Posted by Mojo I don't know anything scientific about the Surround: AI. Supposedly it analyzes "the scene" and dynamically "adjusts channels" to more properly image the sound. I don't know what is meant by "the scene" and "adjusts channels". Is a scene a frame? Does channel adjustment mean volume and tone? And what is the practical effect on a listener? You may not hear the effect due to the topology of your speakers. I am generally a "Let my Onk pick the decoder automatically" guy. There are times when I over-ride it though. Nora Jones - Live in New Orleans now sounds horrible in Dolby Digital. I switch it to stereo and it's more enjoyable. Even more enjoyable is PLII or Neo (those are simulated surround settings). I'll just add in here that I am running 4.5. I have total holography. I see no need to go to Atmos. Stereo is absolutely magnificent and holographic also. Edit: I just found this totally laughable article by Yamaha. What a piece of shit! I would have been totally embarrassed posting this. What this describes is what every multi-channel receiver has done since the dawn of time. Absolutely deplorable. I really despise technical writers who not only aren't technical but also cannot write. Joy Frye, take a hike. You're such a waste of time. Then again, maybe Surround:AI is nothing but marketecture. https://hub.yamaha.com/what-is-surroundai/ Read the article. May silence find her soon....
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Re: I might need some help! Rebulx #439652 11/13/20 01:29 AM
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Mojo shareholder in the making M Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 10,490 Likes: 116	Joy Frye has made sure I will never buy a Yammie. House of the Rising Sone Out in the mid or far field Dedicated mid-woofers are over-rated
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Re: I might need some help! Rebulx #439653 11/13/20 01:34 AM
Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,037 Likes: 69 A aaaaaaaaaaaaa connoisseur
aaaaaaaaaaaaa connoisseur A Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,037 Likes: 69	I can read the graphs. No one that can would if buy one if the last graph was truly how a yamaha processed discrete channels. Total rubbish.
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Re: I might need some help! Rebulx #439654 11/13/20 01:41 AM
Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,037 Likes: 69 A aaaaaaaaaaaaa connoisseur
aaaaaaaaaaaaa connoisseur A Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,037 Likes: 69	I just read a few more articles. Huge fan of Seinfeld. Joy Frye is the equivalent of Elaine writing for the J.Peterman catalogue. Urban Sombrero territory...

Re: I might need some help! aaaaaaaaaaaaa #439656 11/13/20 03:18 AM
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Mojo shareholder in the making M Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 10,490 Likes: 116	Originally Posted by TrevorM I can read the graphs. No one that can would if buy one if the last graph was truly how a yamaha processed discrete channels. Total rubbish. Waaaahahahahaha! OMG. I totally wasn't looking at the graphs. Poor Joy. She is living in an alternative reality. House of the Rising Sone Out in the mid or far field Dedicated mid-woofers are over-rated

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