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Lol. You're bang on, Chess regarding speaker size vs. room size.

I'll just say again I saw a big benefit going from M100v4 to active omnis. As for passive omnis, I can't really draw a comparison because I've never heard them.

Chess, how big is your room volume? Dimensions?.....that your m60s are in now?

13.5 w x 16 L x 7 H

I was starting to worry about the M80 being too big too, so I called Axiom and talked to J.C. He said given the size of my room I could definitely go bigger than M60s. I'm not sure I mentioned my sitting 13' away. I'm still a little nervous about the M80 though, but that's countered by my always wanting a pair. Your experience chesseroo swings it back a little. If you find your post I'd definitely be interested; I'll be poking around too.

Given the feedback I've started to swing to the LFR660's again. (There's about 8 swings remaining!) I'm just not crazy about double the cost. And the set-up: I already have wires running for a standard pair, but I'd have to run two more lines and set up the amp 6 feet away from my receiver and run those wires for the omnis. Not only am I very lazy, but I can't be crawling around on the floor and in the basement right now. So I'd have to tell my wife that I'm just setting the amp up in the living room "for a bit to test them out", and see how long I could get away with that. Also, she wants to get a cat, which I've been fending off; but if there's an amp in the living room I'll be helping to name a new friend.

60 or 660 all the way! I know psychologically your mind tricks you into believing bigger has got to be better but it's simply not an absolute. You are more likely to get better imaging, soundstage and bass from the M60 compared to the M80. And the 60 will likely disappear better.

The 660 will provide a wider and deeper soundstage with improved imaging and dynamics at louder volumes. And it might also disappear better than the 60. I say might because my M50s disappear just great and I expect the 60 to do the same.

My buddy loves the M100s he stole from me. He fell in love with them in the first 10 seconds of listening. The character of the sound is more important to him than acoustic disappearance. In typical rooms, even though the M100s are bigger and more expensive, they suffer more from "position error" than M50, M5, M3, and M2 and their bass is not as linear. So although the M100s sound more like instruments compared to the M5, I like the M5 more because of their imaging, soundstage and disappearing act.

I went with active omnis so I can have it all. And now I have even better fidelity, imaging, soundstage and disappearing than M100 or M5.

Cork, I was very happy with M5s, and I would have been happy with M2s in my 4200 cu ft space, but I went down a deep, dark chasm!

I agree with Mojo.
Haven't heard the 60 or the 660 but if the M2, M3, M22, and M5 are any indication you will be fine. These smaller speakers sound great and fill a much larger space than their size would indicate. One more consideration, if this is a home theater, is that a smaller speaker is easier to fit into a space than a taller one especially if you ever decide on getting a really big screen.

As posted 13.5 w x 16 L x 7 H in feet so the volume works out to about 1500 cubic feet. I have had them up in our main floor living room though off the side of our open floor plan kitchen. That room is about 18x 15 x 10 so 2700 cubic feet not including into the dining and kitchen areas or it would be well over 5000 cubic feet.
It has been awhile since i had the M60s on the main floor for a listen, but i do recall that they were bright (the room has a lot of hard surfaces though) but the stereo imaging was much better. We sit about 13 feet from the system again on the short axis of the rectangular room.
I may for kicks bring them back upstairs to test them out for sound as a refresher.

Here is the link to my short review. It was back in 2017.
https://www.axiomaudio.com/boards/u...g-session-with-the-lfr-660s-brief-review

Re: the LFR setup, as you can see/read, we never pulled the trigger on the LFRs. Per my review, there were a couple of things that held us back. First is cost. Is that additional cost worth the sonic benefit?
This is a personal question only answered by oneself and one's glaring spouse.

Second, the setup takes much more space. We just bought a new media console and i'm pretty certain it wouldn't have enough space for the extra amps and DSP required along with what we have there already. As it is, i'm looking for a new pre-pro and amp for the main floor as well and a new AVR for the media room. If i spent more $$ on electronics than a new car in a year, i'm not sure i could live with myself. Then there's more cables but that's relatively minor compared to having to add in all the extra electronics somewhere.

Chess, if your M60s are v2 or ti, maybe that's part of the reason for the perceived brightness.

I have the resistor installed which lowers the spl of the tweeter slightly.

Even the big Tannoys i have up there can sound 'loud'. The room is very reflective.