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Hey Fellas,

I'm thinking about upgrading to a VP180, but I am curious to see what your thoughts are on where I need to place it. I'm pretty sure (but and obviously open to other mounting suggestions) that the only option I have is to have it mounted on a FSM 180 stand directly behind my EP800 that is lying on the floor below my 80" Samsung Q80R. Do you think that this setup will look okay? And does anyone know how far the mount and VP180 would "push" my EP800 out from the wall and into the room?

Thanks,

Cam

https://photos.app.goo.gl/vGo3CQei7R2oMSYy6

Hey Cam. The 180 will look just awesome there, dude.

The FMS180 will push the 800 one foot into the room.

Thanks, Mojo, buddy. Should I get the inverted one?

Also, from what I am reading, the FMS180 is only one inch higher than the EP800 (14.75" width). Is that okay? Will the inch difference cause any issues?


Thanks

Cam, the height of the stand is 16 inches and the 800 lying dead on the floor is 14.75". No problem.

As for the inverted, when you're on your wheels, your ears are about 4 feet off the ground, yeah? Based on my experience with the 160, I'd say get the inverted.

Cam, Mojo

I'm pretty sure I'm not fully understanding this conversation ... but that said

The 800 will have to sit forward of the base of the FMS180 unless you raise the 800 so the base fits under it. You can't put the 800 fulling under the FMS because I'm fairly certain that the stands will be in the way.

As how far out ... You probably don't want the 180 up against the wall so ... the 800 will also be pushed out by that much too. Only the smaller rear end of the 800 is underneath and will probably fit even if raised a bit.

Anyway I'm looking at the same thought. Currently, I've laid a vertical 800 horizontal on the foam it shipped with ... and the VP180HP right now behind that on M3 boxes. The thought being to build something that will hold the VP180 over the 800 which isn't going box sound in. I'm also considering some other options but this is the one I'm favoring at the moment.

You got an 800, eh? Yup. As I said. You're going nuts like me.

My bad ... I ment 600

I was looking at the stand at one point but my 180 isn't inverted and I think that would be way too low for the center to sit. I was just planning on custom building a stand or I wonder if Axiom could make theirs taller.

Well, I bought it.

I suppose you're on your way to center channel Nirvana.

Proves my point.

Man, things have really slowed down at Axiom . I placed my order on the 18th, and I haven't received anything as of today.

Placed mine on the 16th and still haven’t shipped but I also did the I can wait option. I’m guessing an influx of orders.

Patience grasshopper. Do you remember the lesson?

Grasshopper never ordered Axioms. He didn't even have speakers. He simply listened to the infinite echo of infinity.

That's a little redundant

Whos on first?

Received the speaker and stand but have yet to set it up. As per usual they are in their boxes while I wait for someone to help me. The joys of being handicapped. Anyway, I was wondering if I should set the 180 to large or small, and what crossover should I use?

Cam, if you run through the receiver calibration, it will figure all that out for you. The settings are room-dependent.

If you want to do it manually, set it to Large and forget about it. With Large, you don't need to set the cross-over because the entire content of the center channel signal will be sent to the 180.

Cam, I have mine set to large and running full band. I had it set at 80hz but room correction kept changing it back to full band and the more I have listened to it the more I like it. This is probably due to the speakers finally getting broke in.

So with my new Denon receiver, I cannot set the centre speaker two large unless I sent set the front speakers to large. I have always had the front left and right speakers on small so that the low frequencies are sent to the subwoofer. I don't recall this happening on other receivers that I had. Also if my front speakers are set too small, the only option I have with the centre speaker is either small or none. So do I set the left and right speakers to large and do something with the crossover? Thanks buddy

With the front speakers set to large, I cannot set individual crossovers for the front or centre speaker. I can only set a crossover for the surrounds which is at 80 Hertz. The front and centre speaker options are greyed out, and in the great out area for the front and centre speaker it says full band.

I'm running a Denon AVR as well. You should be able to change the crossover for each set of speakers. I know there is a setting that sets all speakers to the same crossover frequency. Make sure that setting is not on. I have my front towers to large also.

So there is an issue with the 180. I got it all set up, and noticed that the speaker is way more shiny than my other speakers. The 180 was order in boston cherry, to match my other speakers, but the 180 looks like it has a piano gloss finish. I do like the look way more than my other speakers that are quite honestly dull in comparison, but I don't like it paired with my other speakers because it looks out of place. Has this happened to anyone else? When I spoke to JC he said something like a couple years ago Axiom stopped using some type of finish (I can't remember what he said) and changed to real wood wraps (or whatever term he used). I thought that this was odd because the EP800 that I just got, has the exact same finish as my other speakers that are v1's. JC did email me a little later and said this - " The picture was examined by our person in charge of the finish and here is his comment . . .

Cherry will continue to darken. Plus two different boards may take stain differently. Nothing with the process or products used have changed."

Sooooo yeah....... should the newer speakers look like the 180, and Axiom did change the veneer, or did I get a glossy 180 by accident?

Here is the picture showing the difference, which is even more apparent in-person.

Picture

Dude, those are gnarly socks! And by some miracle, did you manage to stand up or are your feet just dangling?

Your Boston Cherry looks like mine. It's not glossy.

I think your 800 may be Boston Cherry vinyl. They are all wood now. I am sure the wood looks different than the vinyl.

If a speaker is set to large there is no crossover for that speaker so there is nothing to change. You have to set it to small in order to change the crossover.

Yup, my 800 is vinyl. JC said that they changed to all wood a couple years ago, and I purchased my 800 on September 12 2019. That is 1 1/2 years ago. When JC said that, I immediately thought well why isn't my 800 in wood to match. The colour difference is really annoying. I plan on upgrading my m80's at some point, and they'll be off-colour. I don't know but it makes me feel like I got a 800 that was one of the last batch of vinyl ones, even though the wood ones were available. I did get a deal on the 800, after all...

This just really sucks.

And LMFAO. For one, I can't and won't ever walk again, and second you won't ever see me wearing socks like that :-) .

Cam, the wood finishes came around September 2020 along with a price increase.

Just because you can't stand or walk, don't mean you can't treat your feet to gnarly socks.

Dundas, that’s not accurate. All five of my speakers are set to large and I can change the crossover on each of them. And I have many times.

Hmmmm...now why would Denon have done that? The purpose of the Large setting is for full range. Setting to Large and then crossing over makes no good sense.

Not sure but I went downstairs and turned it on to make sure I wasn’t drunk and they are set on large and I can still toggle through the crossover.

Canes, do you have LFE + Main turned on? If so, it could be that frequencies below the cross-over are steered to the sub.

Edit: Not "...it could be..." but it is!

Yes, it is set to LFE + main.

As I understand it when you have it set to LFE+Main the crossover setting does not limit the bass sent to the speaker, as it does when the speaker is set to small, but rather limits that speaker channel's base that is also played by the subwoofer.
see:
https://www.avsforum.com/threads/gu...references.2958528/#aname-Section%20IIIE

So I spoke to JC about the difference in finish and if anything could be done to my current 800 that is vinyl, to make it shiny like my 180, and he said that their finishing guy suggested that I use an automotive product designed for vinyl like Armor All. Even though I trust his knowledge and expertise, I am a little hesitant to give this a go. What are your guys thoughts on trying this out? Maybe someone else on the forum has done something else similar to this.

It'll make it shiny. It won't hurt it. But the hues will be different. And so will the shine. They'll both be shiny but different.

Okie. Soooooooo you'll experiment to find out what product looks closest to the shine of the 180.

I already know. Bubba Kush makes everything look special!

Mojo, back when I was a freshman in college my suite-mate, a biochem major, decided to attempt making hash in my toaster oven. Took forever to get that smell out.

I remember the cleaner commenting about his funny looking tomato plants. Something about the tomato seed packet on the popsicle stick not fooling anyone.

On the color mismatch ... i personally would go one of 3 ways
- live with it
- trade it in for a matching one (bet Axiom would give you a break given the circumstances)
- make it a completely different color (black?)

You crazy kids!

I was out ... when I came back my room and toaster stunk and they just found my dismay ... ahhhh funny.

Yeah Rich. I can tell you were a good boy. No drugs, no alcohol incapacitation and no cavorting with the ladies. Poor YOU!

This is exactly the conundrum i am in.
I was going to change around the speakers last year but covid put things on hold for a few reasons, not the least of which was a lack of AVR on sale due to lack of stock. Until i could get a new AVR, there was no point in adding more surrounds. IF i were to add those new surrounds, and thus would be wood veneer, they would not match the rest of our older vinyl wrapped speakers and hence, like Cam, we're in the position of having to trade them all in and replace them all. The deal Ian provided was excellent BUT it will still cost extra money to do it.
Unfortunately for those wanting to change to something newer, you would be getting wood veneer which most definitely looks different than the vinyl. If you want something larger that is an older model that was sold in vinyl, you can watch the used audio boards at least until something comes available.

I love the various woods and don't mind mixing them. It keeps things interesting.

This picture is exactly what i needed to see the clear difference between the old vinyl wrapped Boston Cherry and the new real wood veneer versions.
No doubt that anyone looking to mix and match you will have to put up with the rather stark difference. Different wood colours entirely is a different thing vs. trying to get a matched set for a visual purpose.
I suppose someone out there might actually like to have their mains different from the centre and the surround and the subs (most subs are plain black anyway so you have little choice).