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Re: Ceiling speakers for my Axiom Epic 60 - 500 setup?
Zak #446729 11/30/22 12:57 AM
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For 5.1.2, the top speaker is placed at 80 degree to MLP. So I think that on wall m3 should be fine. However for 5.1.4, front top and rear top will be 45 degree. If the M3 can't be angled towards the MLP, will it be too off axis?

Re: Ceiling speakers for my Axiom Epic 60 - 500 setup?
Zak #446730 11/30/22 01:51 AM
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Rock, have to be careful what plane you’re looking at (front to back, right to left, besides the more obvious … top down). Also have to read the spec and not just look at the pictures and make your best guess as to what it all means … they don’t always agree. It’s also possible for specifications not work with your room … so you need to compromise. Note some placements are specified in multiple ways which may also not be 100% in agreement.

It gets even better (read more confusing) when putting it all together with DTS-X and Auro-3d specs

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rrlev #446731 11/30/22 02:52 PM
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Thanks Rich. It is beyond my capability to figure out the best setup. That is why I would like to ask suggestions from more knowledgeable people like you.

At the end of the day, enjoying the music and film is the ultimate goal.

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Zak #446732 11/30/22 03:45 PM
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Rock, I don't have an Atmos set-up so I can't be of much help. You need to decide if you're going 5.1.2 or 5.1.4. I've read .2 is pretty much pointless and .4 is awesome. I've also read you don't need to worry about sound quality up top.

All you're really looking for is some punch up top from lows and dispersion from the highs. You'll get that from the M3IC.


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Re: Ceiling speakers for my Axiom Epic 60 - 500 setup?
Zak #446733 11/30/22 04:30 PM
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5.1.2 is better than 7.1 but 7.2.4 would be the best in terms of Atmos setup as far as I know. One upgrade at a time, that would be a feasible approach to me.

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Rock #446734 11/30/22 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Rock
5.1.2 is better than 7.1.

5.1 & 7.1 setups can be awesome…. I would not automatically say ATMOS is better …
For your tops and height surrounds to shine you need:
- ATMOS, DTS-X, or Auro-3d content
- and that content needs to have been mixed to take advantage of 3d effects and object placement.
The number of titles which do both are still small … especially if you eliminate titles which don’t appeal to you.

At the moment, I’d put my money into a great 5.1 or 7.1 system over spreading it out for mediocre 5.1.2 or even a 7.1.4 system … that said
If you have the money and are not making crazy speaker placement trade-offs… putting in a great ATMOS system is the way to go.

Originally Posted by Rock
7.2.4 would be the best in terms of Atmos setup as far as I know.
the number of surrounds you need is dependent on your room and the number of seats you want to have a great surround experience.

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Originally Posted by Mojo
Then there's me. With my humble 4-channel.
Very humble

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Agreed for the most parts smile Most video streaming service only provide either 5.1 or 5.1.4. Even though I have some local content with 7.1, but they are 1080p. To enjoy 4K, I have to go with the streaming content. In that context, my current 7.1 has less and less advantage over the 5.1. So a painless upgrade with least cost would be to change the 7.1 to 5.1.2, leveraging existing cabling for the top height speakers and getting a 7.1 4K receiver.

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