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Re: Axiom M80's vs Revel F36 or Focal 826's?
Stereoguy99 #446652 11/24/22 06:12 PM
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I don't think Axiom and Paradigm use the NRC any longer. What's there other than an anechoic chamber? They both have their own.

As far as I know, the NRC hasn't been involved in audio science since the days of Toole.


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Re: Axiom M80's vs Revel F36 or Focal 826's?
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Originally Posted by Mojo
I don't think Axiom and Paradigm use the NRC any longer. What's there other than an anechoic chamber? They both have their own.

As far as I know, the NRC hasn't been involved in audio science since the days of Toole.

PSB still uses their anechoic chamber regularly. Nothing's really changed since their core findings in the 1980's: loudspeakers with a flat listening window (including the bottom 2 octaves) and smooth directivity index win double blind listening tests. Rumor has it that just before Toole left for Harman, the king of the mountain at the NRC was the Mirage M1 (or M1si?) and never lost a double blind listening test.

What's changed is that Audio Science Review and Erin's Audio Corner has pointed out just how few loudspeakers are on the market today that actually achieve those metrics.


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Re: Axiom M80's vs Revel F36 or Focal 826's?
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The dealer I used to deal with in Toronto carries PSB XT2 & in there opinion the 800f's are a noticeable step up from the PSB's.I used to own the PSB 40mkII way back.So will see what the 700f's sound like they are true 3 ways like the M60's & the 800f's are(800f's have bigger woofers). So looks like either 800f's or M60 hp!!But will see Fri what I hear!!


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Re: Axiom M80's vs Revel F36 or Focal 826's?
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The 800f appears to be a functional and performance copy of the M60 (non-HP). The only thing that I haven't been able to find is 800f dynamic capability.

I hope you can compare with the M60HP.


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Re: Axiom M80's vs Revel F36 or Focal 826's?
Mojo #446656 11/25/22 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Mojo
The 800f appears to be a functional and performance copy of the M60 (non-HP). The only thing that I haven't been able to find is 800f dynamic capability.

I hope you can compare with the M60HP.


That depends on Axiom(how long to build my M60 hp's???) & what return window for the Paradigm's I will have...better Idea after this Friday!!!Looks like the Revel's will be going back before the Axiom's for sure....maybe will get a day or to compare with the 800F's??


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Re: Axiom M80's vs Revel F36 or Focal 826's?
Stereoguy99 #446657 11/25/22 05:03 AM
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Bruce, you know what? Save yourself a ton of hassle. Call Axiom up and say you've had enough of getting the run-around with your order. You want SATISFACTION with the deal of the century on an active LFR/2×ADA-1250-5 system.

You won't be able to stop listening. No speakers to be heard. Just images rendered in a huge 3D space.

Put yourself out of your misery!


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Re: Axiom M80's vs Revel F36 or Focal 826's?
Stereoguy99 #446658 11/26/22 03:46 PM
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I think it's fine to keep the Revel's if they're an improvement. These businesses are not charities, and as much as we'd like them to earn our business, someone ought to eventually earn a profit. What would suck is if you bought something that was a step backwards (like my Polk Audio experience) or sideways.

I wouldn't worry too much about the bass if you can successfully blend it with a sub. I don't get a good experience if I can't crossover at 40 or 50 Hz at the AVR, so small bookshelf speakers that bottom out at 70-80 Hz don't work for my space.


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Re: Axiom M80's vs Revel F36 or Focal 826's?
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Daniel, does your bass sound too bloated if you cross over above 40 or 50?


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Re: Axiom M80's vs Revel F36 or Focal 826's?
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Originally Posted by Mojo
Daniel, does your bass sound too bloated if you cross over above 40 or 50?

Yes. Whether it's an issue with the sub or with the room nodes at those frequencies, I can't get a satisfactory blend with smaller speakers. The Onkyo AccuEQ software has the M5HP crossed over at 40 Hz and Angstrom Modular Six Center at 50 Hz, and it sounds right. My Kanto Yumi and Angstrom Omega II 200's cross over at 80 Hz and 110 Hz, and it's too easy to localize the sub. That's probably why I'm dismissive of the THX recommendations of 80 Hz for all loudspeakers.

I'm fortunate that I've been able to find a configuration that's dialed in for all 4 of my seating positions with minimal hot spotting. But it took a year of tweaking before I nailed it.

And my sub is reminding me to feed it contact cleaner to make it to its 28th birthday.


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Re: Axiom M80's vs Revel F36 or Focal 826's?
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Of all the rooms I've set up, it's never been 80Hz. Anything above 60 has resulted in bloated bass.

Could be your sub if it has an audible resonance or rolls off too slow. My 20 year-old, $99 Sony was like that until I stuffed it and shellaced the driver. Freakin' good now to 25Hz even in my 4200 cu. ft. room for music.


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