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Re: my m60's arrived yesterday - not impressed - ???
#47248 05/28/04 01:44 PM
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I have M60. When I first hook it up right out of the box, the sound is too bright. However, after positioning the speaker and run auto setup on my receiver, the sound comes back to life. I'm not an expert in sound, but with the price of M60, I don't think you can find any good speaker like that at the same price. I even listen to B&W at local store, and can't tell the difference. Anyway, that's just my opinion.

Re: my m60's arrived yesterday - not impressed - ???
#47249 05/28/04 02:53 PM
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M, i have the same receiver running 60's. mine are about 9 to 10 feet apart and about 12" from the wall. if you have not "sized" the speakers, that may be an issue. i too have mine toed in slightly. i set mine to small and use a sub with music and movies, and love them. as others have said, they or your ears will calm down slightly in a few days. play a well recorded cd in about 4 days, and crank those mothahs (that's massachusetts for mothers), and i'll bet a dime they sound great.
dan

Re: my m60's arrived yesterday - not impressed - ???
#47250 05/28/04 03:46 PM
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You need time to run them and get used to the sound. But, as much as I'd getting a whipping for saying so, I think the speakers need time to break in.

Breaking in your ears, breaking in your speakers...in the end it doesn't really matter...as long as something gets broken in. I was a little turned off by my M60s when I got them. Now I love them. What else can I say but that?


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Re: my m60's arrived yesterday - not impressed - ???
#47251 05/28/04 05:15 PM
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kinda funny. I'm sure I reacted like all Axioms owners who read the thread title. Tensing up, thinking, "What the heck is he/she doing wrong?"

I'm sure you'll work it out, the position will make a huge difference.

I can't recall any listener saying the Axioms weren't detailed...

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#47252 05/28/04 09:56 PM
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When I first received my M60's I too was taken aback by what appeared to be a lack of bass. I had been running Abtract Acoustics 2.1 two way speakers and liked the sound. I tried the A-B test between the Abs and the Axioms and discovered the reason why. The Abstracts were boomy while the Axioms were tight and clear. After I set my M60's up properly and toed them in toward my listening position I liked what I heard ( and still do). The M60's are very directional and if your room is small or you are sitting outside the "sweet spot" you will notice.

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#47253 05/28/04 10:45 PM
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I too got some m60's yesterday. I didn't get whether the M60's and the other speakers were being compared with the same amp driving them. Then too the room likely makes some difference. I thought my M60's sounded better in my house than the B&W 600's at the dealer, same amp driving them, a Rotel 1056 (75wpchannel-5 channel or 100 wpc-2 channels driven.)

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#47254 05/28/04 11:17 PM
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I had 2 friends over when I unboxed my M60s. I set them in the center of the room abut 6' apart and plugged them in. They sounded incredible. The next day, when I put them where I wanted them, I was not impressed. It took several weeks of messing with the position to find the right spot. Position makes a HUGE difference.

On the subject of toe in. Too little and you will hear a "hole in the middle". Too much, and things will get flat or muddy sounding because the sounds from each speaker will be mixing too much in the middle.

Mine are about 9' apart, and have about 3/16" of toe in. I sit 12' back. You'll need to find the right combination of distances from walls (24" or so seems to be correct), amount of toe in, and separation to get the right sound and image. When adjusting, make small ajustments. Sean wasn't kidding when the said they were directional. I describe it as they "shoot straight". Turning them 1/16" can make a difference.

Those aluminum drivers must hold their shape very well while in motion. I think that the paper, and other non-rigid drivers flex as they move in and out. The result is that the sound field produced by them has a "fuzzy edge" that makes them easier to get positioned correctly. With the aluminum cones, you need to be a little more careful to get the edge of the sound field from one speaker to align with the edge of the sound field from the other speaker. When you get them right, the sound and image is incredible.

Good luck,

Last edited by Michael_A; 05/28/04 11:26 PM.

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#47255 05/29/04 01:54 AM
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I was also dissapointed with my m60s (plus stf-2) for the first 5 months i've had them.
I bought them over winter break and listened to them for about a 2 weeks and went back to school. Nice, but not much better then my klipsch promedia on my computer.

I came home for summer break and found that we recently moved the downstairs around and i was able to move the speakers to a better spot in my 20x 14x8 room(LWH).

After some listening to music off my computer i put LOTR:TT in on loud using my crappy DVD player and HK 525.

[censored] unbelievable

Kicked the [censored] out of my house as well

anyways, i've got the qs8s and vp 100 on backorder now after that expierence. My suggestion-if you cant get a good spot for the m60s, try some more forgiving speakers. IF i remember correctly the saphire omni present speakers were really forgiving(didnt sound as nice) but placement was not an issue.

have fun!

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