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What Headphones
#5707 09/13/02 08:03 PM
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I will soon be in the market for a pair of good headphones and would like to hear comments (good & bad) on what everyone is using.

Does anyone have experience with cordless headphones?

Thanks

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#5708 09/13/02 08:14 PM
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Believe it or not, Koss headphones are quite good.

Depending on your budget and listening tastes of course.

I don't listen to overly bassy recordings, but I do want my low strings to sound good. For most rock, jazz and classical I like my Koss Porta Pro headphones. At CDN$60 they're a steal!

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http://www.audioreview.com/Headphones/Koss+Porta+pro/PRD_117873_2750crx.aspx

Good luck!
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#5709 09/14/02 05:38 AM
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i believe goodsound.com just did a review on these and two other headphones. all very inexpensive. I've had a pair of Koss for over ten years. Just sent them back to get the cover over the foam replaced. Great headphones guaranteed for life.

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I'd suggest the excellent AKG K501 for a moderately priced(about$150)phone nearly as good as any. Check headphone.com for lots of info including measurements, especially in the "product stuff" section. Pretty good prices, too.


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#5711 09/14/02 06:09 PM
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two words

GRADO LABS

they're a lot like Axiom
check them out
www.gradolabs.com

I bought the SR60's (their lowest model) for US 69$.
I have never heard headphones sound this good for that price. People say the bass is weak, I say it is realistic. It simply doesn't have that boomy make-your-ears-vibrate quality of those shitty panasonic things with XtraBassBoom on or some other ridiculous feature like that.

They are so clean, neutral, they remind me of the M22's, however just a tad less in your face.

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#5712 09/15/02 02:12 PM
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Hi,

Nick_S and Ravi are correct. The Koss PortaPro and SportaPro rank among the smoothest sounding headphones for the least money. I've also used Grado SR125's for years, and the Grado SR60's are similar. Both those and the PortaPro's are also very comfortable.

Other Koss models vary in quality. The lower-priced Sennheiser phones are also very good.

All cordless headphones, RF-based and those with infrared transmitters, are compromised by occasional interference and noise, but they can be convenient. They're also heavier (built-in batteries to power the RF or infrared receiver) and have to be recharged. The Sennheiser models can sound pretty good. They're not my cup of tea, but if you don't want to be tethered by a cord like a pet on a leash, try out the Sennheiser cordless models.

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#5713 09/15/02 04:33 PM
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I'd have to disagree on the Sennheiser cordless models sounding good, though I suppose that could be a relative term; maybe they sound better than other cordless headphones, but I think they sound pretty piss-poor. I was extremely disappointed in the performance, the sound quality was poor and the range wasn't very good either. I couldn't leave the room the base-station was in without getting static/interfence, and sometimes I would get it even in the same room if I turned my head a certain way. I ended up selling them to a friend for about 1/4th of what I paid for them, because my conscience wouldn't let me charge any more without feeling guilty that I had ripped him off.

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#5714 09/15/02 04:47 PM
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jkohn, try the ebay selling method next time.
Your conscience may be relieved if you didn't sell them to a friend but instead to a fanatic who loves the Sennheiser sound and would perhaps even pay MORE than what you bought them for.
Its amazing what people out on ebay go looking for. I once sold (not too long ago) a 486 motherboard for $40!!
I was going to throw it in the trash thinking, who in their right mind would want such an old piece of computer that is so incredibly outdated and virtually incapable of running anything modern.
Then again, i see Commodore 64s up on ebay now and again and people still buy them. Must be nostalgia.


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#5715 09/15/02 08:27 PM
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Does that mean my Sony beta hi fi's might have a second chance at life?

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#5716 09/16/02 03:24 AM
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I'll give you three Canadian pennies and a piece of sock lint for it

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#5717 09/16/02 03:26 AM
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http://headwize.powerpill.org/projects/showproj.php?file=grado_prj.htm

check out how much you can modify your Grado's.

I hear they are the Honda Civic of headphones!

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#5718 09/16/02 03:31 PM
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Hi jkohn,

Well, there you go! Frankly, it's why I've never considered using cordless phones. All of them are hopelessly compromised and your comments underscore mine.

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#5719 09/17/02 02:58 PM
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I've had a pair of Alessandro MS-1's (basically a Grado SR80) for a couple of years and they're great. Some people find the Grado sound a bit too aggressive and prefer the laid-back presentation of the Sennheiser HD600 or HD580 (which is *too* polite, for my tastes). For a sealed headphone, give the Sony V6 a whirl... These are all big and chunky 'phones so if portability is a great concern, I'd go with the Koss or the Sony E888 earbuds...

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#5720 09/17/02 03:07 PM
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Thanks for all the info. I'm leaning toward the Sennheiser 580's. Is $199 a good price for these?

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#5721 09/18/02 07:43 AM
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WB, the lowest price I see on the 580 is $158.95 at etronics.com. The 580 is an excellent phone, but don't underestimate the inconvenience in long listening sessions which the dual cord connection to each ear can cause. The quite similar sounding AKG K501 has a single connection which in my experience makes for less cumbersome listening sessions.


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#5722 03/06/03 11:58 PM
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Sorry to revive this old thread, but the kid in my soul wanted to blurb a bit about my own headphones, the Sony MDR-F1

The MDR-F1 is an interesting design which they call Full Open Air -- they do not “cup” your ears. Rather, the drivers are suspended in the middle of the air, directed perpendicular to your ear canals. The design helps to produce highly neutral and accurate sound since it does not alter the acoustic property of your auricles; basically, they are extreme-near-field loudspeakers so to speak. Maybe I am just ignorant, but I am unaware of similar designs from any other manufactures. They are solidly constructed in alloy yet extremely light weight (7 oz or so), and by far the most comfortable headphones I have ever tried; I can listen to music for hours and hours without any fatigue or auricular pain. In fact, I often forget that I am wearing them and start to walk away, only to be reminded by the pulled wire! I am not a big fan of Sony products in general, but this one is a gem; I can highly recommend them if any of you happen to be in the market of hi-fi headphones, assuming that you do not need isolation from ambient noise (these provide zero isolation).

By the way, I personally find that good headphones are quite useful tool to check how a given recording is “meant” to sound with respect to tonal balance. Obviously, headphones cannot provide the same soundstage reproduction as that from in-room loudspeakers. But I understand that carefully designed headphones are, as long as they are correctly worn, very flat in the frequency response (except that there are a small number of brands that seem to intentionally “color” the reproduced sound in order to differentiate themselves from others). Similarly, I think a good pair of headphones is useful as a reference for what you may consider as the “neutral” sound rendition.

Cheers!

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#5723 03/07/03 01:14 AM
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Yes, sushi, that's an interesting variation on the conventional headphone design. The AKG K1000(briefly discussed at the headroom.headphone.com site) appears to be based on somewhat similar principles. Occasionally I listen to a little middle-of-the-night Rachmaninoff on my AKG 501s, but I've never had a chance to listen to one of the "ear-speakers". There's also some comments on the MDR-F1 on the headwize.com discussion board and you might be interested in the goodcans review.


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You are all over the place, John!

Hmm... middle-of-the-night Rachmaninoff... Variations on Paganini??? I guess you are still healthier than me, listening to middle-of-the-night Mahler. LOL

The Sony F1's are also extremely comfortable to wear in the bed. The only problem is: my wife, who was sleeping besides, once complained to me "Would you please use headphones?" LOL

I picked up the Sony F1's a few years ago at one of the larger stores in Tokyo's Akihabara electronics district. One entire wall of the floor was dedicated for quality headphones, all simultaneously connected to the same sources via an array of amps, level-calibrated, and continuously playing. There were no less than 30-40 models displayed for ad-lib auditioning that way, including all usual suspects like Senn's, Grado's and Ah-Kah-Gheh's, as well as less known Japanese brands such as Audio-Technica. It was Paradise; basically, I spent one whole Saturday there. LOL Actually, the AKG 501's were one of the very finalists in my choice, although I took the unique "loudspeakerness" of the F1's in the end. It was a heck of fun shopping!

Oh... btw, another wall of the store was entirely occupied by the Kimber and other classy cables!

Cheers!

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