Axiom Home Page Forums General Discussion Home Theater Will I need a 2nd EP350?

Hey folks,

As some of you know I'm in the middle of remodeling my basement. The recroom portion will include a HT Front Projection area, bar/pool table area, and walk out to the back yard.

Anyway, I'm trying to decide if one EP350 will be adequate. The system is currently upstairs in our living room, which is about 12' x 15' with somewhat of a cathedral ceiling, and the EP350 works fine. Below is a drawing to give you an idea about the recroom size. The overall size was about 30' x 30' with 9' ceilings, however, with the addition of the AV closet, it is a little smaller now, and also that helped set my theatre area back a bit. The bar/pool table area is diagonal from that, but is chopped off in the picture.

So based on this size, do you think I'll need another EP350 for movies and music, when I crank it up and am playing some pool and drinking a Bud

I thought I would include a pic of my current setup, yes I know the mansfields don't match the entertainment center, but I knew my Denon/Axiom's life upstairs was limited, if my wife has anything to do with it....and depending on how long it takes for me to get the basement done

Following on my great success at guessing the highest volume Axiom speaker, my guess is that you will be OK with on EP350 as long as you get the placement right.

At first glance the M60s in the corner seem too far apart for the seating position; once you move them in a bit you should have room for the EP350 in the left corner

Maybe a tad far apart, not much if you really look at the dimensions, back row tri-angle measurements. That room has some serious depth. I am just jealous of all this major square ft. you all (or yaaa-alll) have in these damm basements. No such thing here. Try telling you wife that the "dining" room now has black water heaters and multiple drivers in it. The worst part is I posted more tonight than I have in a month, cause she's out shoppin tonight, so much for upgrades.

Yep your right bridgman, actually that pic is something I drew up months ago. The DIY screen will be a tad over 9ft wide, so that will leave about 3 ft on each side of the screen. Also, I'm building a stage below the screen out of 2 x 8's for my mains and center. The mains will be closer togethor, and not angled as much as the drawing shows. More than likely, since my current sub cable is on like 10ft., I'll place it on the right hand side near the corner, but out a bit. I will have access to underneath the stage, so if I need to run another sub cable to the left side i can with no problems.

Johninflorida, I feel for you man.... We built our house about 3 years ago and there is about 2100 Sq Ft. per level, it is a Ranch design. There is a 25' I Beam running across the recroom to keep it open..

Any other input from you Axiomites

Randy:
I don't have any experience with a room your size, but DO own a 350. My opinion is that you really might need a second one. That's an awfully big room!

Thanks markSjohnson,

I suppose I'll just have to wait, recalibrate, once I get everything done, to see how it sounds. For two subs, does a guy just get a Y cable and run both subs off that same cable, since it is a mono signal anyway?

Yes, I asked SVS awhile back and you can put the y connector at the receiver or the y connector at the end of the first sub. Technically, you want the runs from the y to be the same distance to each sub.

Make sure you experiment with location as well.

Right now your graph looks like the sub will be on a side wall. You'll usually get much more bass out of a corner placement, though in my room it has a tendency to be a "boomier" location. Experimentation is the only way to tell for sure.

So if one sub will be close to the right side of the room, close to the AV equipment, and the other sub would be on the left side, much farther from the AV equipment, would you just have a lot of slack coiled up for your right sub? Does sound suffer, if one sub has a longer run, I'm only talking about 15 or so feet?

I would say that you are doing everything right except for drinking Bud!

Sorry couldn't resist.

Stuart

Randy, on your question about unequal lengths of wire to speakers(in this case,subs), although this is something that is fairly frequently raised on audio boards, it's just another of the seemingly endless audio myths which have no factual basis. The electromagnetic waves which transfer the power travel along the wire at speeds approaching that of light. Although some have reported hearing "timing" differences with unequal length runs, the difference with lengths used in the home would be measured in billionths of a second, far below the ability of any human to hear. The second possibility would be a difference in level caused by greater resistance in the longer run, but again at in-home distances this might amount to a difference of 0.1dB(e.g. 74.9 vs 75.0)and moving your head a few inches makes a bigger difference. Of course any difference in levels between speakers can be corrected by balancing the levels.

186,000 miles/second cool man....

I'm with ya johnk, I figured it was an old wives tale. If someone has that good of sensory perception, they should work for NASA. It is just like my surrounds, there is no way the wires will all be the same length, so I'm not to worried. So I guess the question, will I need another EP350 will be evidant once I get everything setup....

This is the second forum thread in 5 minutes that I'm in agreement with JohnK. I just purchased speaker cables from Signal Cable and I talked to him about varying cable lengths. He said it doesn't matter.

SirQuack,

Yes. That's 8,000 cu. ft. A second EP350 will also let you get smoother overall deep bass coverage with fewer pronounced standing waves.

Regards,

thanks Alan and all, I'll have to wait until after the new year before the boss (wife) will let me consider another EP350, or better yet, a step up to one of his big brothers....