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My head hurts. I'm going for coffee...

Does that mean either way you will want a sub?
Personally I'd say yes. I love my M22s and don't see myself giving them up (even if upgraded they will be used elsewhere). But music goes from sounding amazingly clear and foward to imadroolingidiot when I add in my sub for the low end.
Stevie Wonder's Master Blaster makes you wanna shake it on my M22s. With the sub added its like having a priest throw holy water at you saying "The power of Stevie compels you!" (to shake your booty)

jr

Yes, as another poster highlighted, this will be used mainly for movies. I've been running a 5.0 system with JBL e60 towers and it's just not cutting it with regard to bass output. There are distinct parts of movies where a 10-12" sub is required to vibrate the air in the room.

The six inch woofers in the JBLs just don't present certain lowend effects as they were intended. I imagine an m22 with even small woofers would have a tougher time creating the subsonic effects. Just my 2 uneducated cents.

>>For TV and Movies - which are naturally and often mixed and presented multi-channel (unless you're watching off-air stereo TV or older movies presented in 2 channel or mono) - the natural instinct would be to put together a stereo system w/LFE. For music - which is almost always mixed and presented in stereo (there are some SACDs that are recorded multi-channel, I understand, but those are much less than 0.1% of available albums today) - people would lean towards a multi-channel system. Does sound backwards when someone challenges it, don't it?

Well, yes, but there are mitigating circumstances

I have to admit I don't understand why people are leaning towards multi-channel systems for music but I do agree that it is happening a lot. There's no question that taking a good 2-channel system and adding the other 3.1 can make it sound even better, but I still think that FOR THE SAME MONEY you can do better with 2 channel. My receiver is set to kick into "Surround Off" for music sources.

On the movie side, the big issue there is that DVDs bring two good things -- LFE and surround. A nice sub costs about the same as a nice center + surrounds, so someone on a budget either has to cut corners in both areas or choose between LFE and surround. Based on my own experiences and speaking with friends listening to different systems, I would take a good 2.1 system over a good 5.0 system for movies on most days. Then again, the movies I watch tend to have more big explosions and "high tech unspecified bass drone" than delicate soundscapes, and the same goes for most of my friends

I can defend 2.1 for movies but not 5.0 for music.

See, now that's a well developed and thought out response, which I really appreciate. Just when my eyes had rolled back into my head at the thought of being surrounded by braying AuD1oFil3z (which is all I think about when I see the sh*thawks in Finding Nemo chattering "mine" - I laugh every time I see that), and I was second guessing why I come back here every month or so.

The aural experience is so individual that these dogmas really don't necessarily apply to all - take for instance, the audio suite here. I come in after bro's been cutting and the monitors are all set to rel. 0 dB on the bass pot and -9dB on the treble pot. Some people have AM Radio ears. *laughs*

He says it's because he was spending long hours on voiceovers and the treble was "fatiguing" but I've seen his home speakers too... circa 1982 - 8" paper cones... and we don't need no stinkin' tweeters.

Bren R.

A friend and I used to do synth repair and mods back in the analog age, just as the world was starting to make the first moves from US analog to Japanese digital synths.

Doing sound in one of the local dives (the Horseshoe for anyone in TO area) for one of the local bands (FM). Nash (sort of the guitarist except he played electric mandolin and violin) kept storming out to my buddy on the board and complaining that the levels were too low. My friend Rob was one of those "slow boil" kind of people so he just kept raising the levels a couple of dB each time trying to keep the sound clean.

First complaint on the second set my buddy snapped. Nash walked back to the stage; Rob pushed all the sliders up to the top and left them there. The sound was awful -- distorted, feedback coming in and out, you could barely hear the instruments.

After the second set, Nash asked my friend if he would do sound for them all the time. He was the only guy who "understood what he wanted". Go figure...

The Horseshoe isn't... that much of a dive.

You've obviously never been to the Royal Albert Arms or the Collective Cabaret in Winnipeg. The latter of which had a dead DJ stuck in it's wall rotting for a year and no one noticed the smell!!! Not that I'm against DJ death... I mean there should be a national holiday where they're beaten to death with the disembodied limbs of Nu Country artists and their heads left spinning on their turntables with the L33T B33T KRUE mats. But I digress.

Bren R.

OK, I've gotta know the story on that one. Or are you just pulling our legs?

Here's the Fascional, er, National Post's story on it:

"DJ's mummified body found behind wall in club - Winnipeg mystery

Chris Wattie, National Post

Saturday, December 06, 2003

Some time in the early hours of a cold October day last year, a young disc jockey stumbled into a Winnipeg cabaret and disappeared. This week, police found the mummified body of Eduardo Sanchez entombed behind a wall in the basement of the popular nightclub, 14 months after he was last seen alive. While the case is reminiscent of an Edgar Allan Poe story, police say there was no foul play in the 21-year-old's death, just the lingering question of what exactly he was doing behind the wall where he became trapped and died.

"The cause of death was determined to be positional asphyxiation," said Constable Bob Johnson, a Winnipeg police spokesman. "We don't know for what reason he went between these two walls, but some time while he was in there he either fell, [or] passed out -- we don't necessarily know the circumstances -- but he got himself positioned in a place where he was unable to breathe properly due to the restrictions on his chest.

"It wouldn't have taken a long time ... He probably would've been dead within minutes."

Police were called back to the nightclub -- the last place Mr. Sanchez was seen alive -- when neighbours complained about a foul odour coming from the Village Cabaret. If not for a recent citywide ban on smoking in bars, investigators said, they might never have found the body. Neighbours of the club, in a trendy downtown Winnipeg neighbourhood, said they noticed the foul smell more than a year ago, but put it down to spilled beer and stale cigarette smoke.

"Sometimes it reeked of sewage when you came in in the morning," Kerrie Drine, a business owner in a neighbouring building, told The Winnipeg Free Press. "We had to light incense to get rid of it." But when the municipal smoking ban came into effect in September, the smell persisted and someone eventually notified police. "They took the whole wall down," Const. Johnson said. Using a special camera borrowed from a local duct cleaning company, police found the body wedged into a narrow space between a stone foundation wall and a newer wall. The camera was snaked into the claustrophobic gap between the old wall and the newer one, which police said was built several years ago. Officers soon spotted the badly decomposed body of Mr. Sanchez.

"It was pretty close to mummification; it was certainly in the early stages of it," Const. Johnson said.

He said Mr. Sanchez had entered the gap between the walls from an opening at one end and had managed to wriggle through almost its entire 23-metre length, through a gap ranging from 20 to 60 centimetres wide. "In some places there was enough room to move around, in others it was a very tight fit." Mr. Sanchez, also known as DJ Phonosys and Grandmasta Sanchez, was last seen by friends in the early morning hours of Oct. 12, 2002. He made an $80 withdrawal from his bank account at 12:48 a.m. from a bank machine in the front entrance of the nightclub. Just before 3 a.m., he spoke with three friends not far from the club and was last seen walking back toward the building.

Family, friends and police searched the Winnipeg area for weeks after his disappearance, but found nothing. Abbey Sanchez broke down in tears while reading a statement on Thursday about the discovery of her brother, which she called "our family's worst nightmare."

"This news definitely is not what we had anticipated," she said.

Const. Johnson said there is some evidence Mr. Sanchez had been drinking on the night of his disappearance and tests are being conducted to attempt to determine whether alcohol was a factor in his death. "But the body had degraded so much that the quality of the samples was very,
very poor. We may not get anything at all."

He said the question of why Mr. Sanchez crawled behind the wall will probably never be answered. "People will, I think for years, be asking the question: What the heck was he doing in there?" Const. Johnson said. "And we just don't have a good answer to that, to be honest. We
don't know why he was there ... and likely will never know." He said police considered the possibility that he was looking to retrieve something left or somehow dropped there earlier, but they found nothing behind the wall other than Mr. Sanchez's body."

Though the term "trendy downtown neighbourhood" isn't how I'd describe Osborne Village, unless trendy means hangout for the urine soaked dregs of humanity and rich kids who want to piss off mommy and daddy by slumming.

Bren R.

that is simply an amazing story.. i am completely beside myself? thats the kinda stuff that urban legends are made of. but this one is for really real... WOW?

bigjohn