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Hi again all!
I'm now trying to decide what receiver to get for my 7.1, primarily SACD and DVD-A sound system. I know that the Axioms are generally considered to be somewhat bright or detailed, and I'm looking for a warm receiver to offset some of that. I'm looking to spend around $600 or less and I would consider refurbs and ebay to snag some higher end models at a great price. That said, what would you all recommend based on the following:
VSX-1014TX
Denon 1083 or 2805
HK 435/635
If anyone has any other suggestions, please feel free to make them. Thank you all for your advise.
Jerrin
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i think the whole notion of receivers being "warm" or "bright" is somewhat false. especially solid state receivers. now, i think those terms come into play when you are dealing with tube amps, but this is just my opinion. the receivers are simply amplifying a signal, and i think the perception of "warm" or "bright" comes from different variables, with the main one being a persons ears.
with that said, i think any of the options you have listed will work well for you. the pioneer elite series gets good reviews. and i am under the firm belief that you just cant go wrong with Denon or H/K equip. might i also suggest Onkyo. just another one to throw in the mix  .
there are several places online that have great deals on equip made by all of these companies. macmall.com, ecost.com, pcmall.com.
you can find some great deals on refurb and b-stock. and $600 bucks is an awesome receiver budget. i have confidence you will find many great options under that price range.
good luck, and let us know how it goes!
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In reply to:
think the whole notion of receivers being "warm" or "bright" is somewhat false. especially solid state receivers. In reply to:
Have you compared receivers?
I have heard more then my fair share of receivers and anyone who thinks a Yamaha and a HK for example sound the same, have obviously never heard both. HK, Parasound and a few others at least in my opinion bring a "Warm" feel to the table.
I have always found it interesting that high current, high amperage products always get the term warm thrown at them. Everytime someone says a receiver or amp etc is warm sounding I go running for the specs and sure enough 95% of the time it turns out to be a high current, high amperage design..........There must be something to it.
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Jerrinst, I have had owned every receiver on your list and went with the HK630. My thoughts on each receiver are posted somewhere in this forums.
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In reply to:
95% of the time it turns out to be a high current, high amperage design
then how do you account for the other 5%?
i think its all just a matter of perception. i HAVE heard different receivers and amps, and i just tend to believe that different speakers, environment, placement, etc.. have more influence on if something is perceived as "warm" or "bright", than the receiver itself.
once again, just my opinion..
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Jerrinst: I've sold many receivers from each of those manufacturer's, and even though each do have minimal sonic differences, any reciever from one of those brands would be a great mate for your Axiom speakers. I'm a devoted Yammie user, but I have always liked Denon's and HK's offerings too. Good luck!
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Jerrin, Axioms aren't "generally considered to be somewhat bright" by their owners. "Detailed", of course, but that doesn't imply excessive mids/highs. This is fortunate, because receivers aren't "warm" except when you put your hand on them. Despite the fact that there would have to a substantial defect in a receiver's frequency response(which simply doesn't exist) for it to degrade the sound and create a warm effect, this myth continues to circulate. Of course, the incessant repetition of myths doesn't make them come true. Select one of the fine receivers which you've listed based on features and price. Note especially that the new HK435 has the new room equalization system developed by Dr. Toole's group which also operates on the low bass frequencies where it's most needed.
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So there you go...
If you believe that some receivers have a warmer sound than others, and that Axioms are bright, you should go with an HK because its warm sound will counterbalance the Axiom's bright sound.
If, on the other hand, you believe all receivers sound the same and that Axioms are detailed but not bright, you should go with an HK 'cause it has a great new room EQ system and the most flexible bass management.
You can't lose 
John (HK630)
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I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder so to speak.
John(bridgman), nice shamless plug on your hk630. HaHa.
Later,
Mike.(hk230) 
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It's decided then. I will invest heavily in Harman Kardon stock as soon as possible.
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Hmmm. Not sure what happened. I edited my post an hour or so ago to maybe be a bit more balanced, but looks like I hit a wrong key somewhere... edits never made it to the thread.
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After looking at Onkyo, Denon, Yamaha and H/K, I think an H/K 635 will be finding it's way into my system in the near future as well. I will tell you that my Onkyo 502 is quite an awesome reciever though, so my decision was sort of difficult.
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In view of the recent string of "confessions" on the board, perhaps it's appropriate to acknowledge that I'm part-owner of Harman International. This however, has no influence on my view of HK equipment.
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Too late John. My broker just informed me that my vital organs are now your property.
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In reply to:
This is fortunate, because receivers aren't "warm"
And you have tested a lot of them out to prove this right?
Ah never mind........................it's pointless. According to JohnK, all receivers sound the same folks. Get to Wal Mart and pick up that $129.00 model that is on sale this week. It will sound just as good as the ones costing $1000.00 or $2000.00 or more.
Later.................Proud HK630 owner who likes it's warm sound!
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Yeah, maybe I'll pick up that $100 GPX model Target has instead of plopping down another $1000+ on a new receiver when I "upgrade." $1000+ on a receiver? What a bunch of suckers! 
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Sorry. I forgot all about Target! We don’t have any of those in my part of the world.
All kidding aside here. It's fairly apparent that we all hear different things. I have heard time and time again that specific pieces of electronics bring something unique to the table. If I'm alone in that view, so be it!
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In reply to:
Sorry. I forgot all about Target! We don't have any of those in my part of the world.
All kidding aside here. It's fairly apparent that we all hear different things. I have heard time and time again that specific pieces of electronics bring something unique to the table. If I'm alone in that view, so be it!
No, there is another.
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Man who is gonna clean the s**t off the fan this time? LOL
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No worries. JohnK and I seem to do this at least once a month. We agree to disagree. No harm no foul.
I have the utmost respect for him but I don't agree with certain things he believes in. Thus, we agree to disagree.
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Yup! I have no problem with John either. Whether agreed or not, I always enjoy reading his posts.
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>>In view of the recent string of "confessions" on the board, perhaps it's appropriate to acknowledge that I'm part-owner of Harman International. This however, has no influence on my view of HK equipment.
Dang, I wish I had something to confess. I feel left out
On the "receiver sound" question, I am firmly in the "Over the years I have come to believe quite strongly that there is a difference, but any time I have tested I haven't actually been able to observe it" camp.
I suspect the difference only comes out when you are pushing the amplifier near its power limits (where a different power supply or output stage CAN result in two receivers producing slightly different output from the same inputs) but until I get more free time that is just a theory.
Last edited by bridgman; 03/26/05 05:09 PM.
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I have owned Denon 3803, 985, 3805, Onkyo Ht-R510, Harman Kardon AVR-7200 and currently own a Harman Kardon DPR2005. In my opinion the HK's do exhibit a warmer sound. I would think it may be because they have more power than the Denon and Yamaha models because of their high current output. I am very happy with my HK, m60, vp150, QS8, and HSU sub combo and wouldn't hesitate to recommend HK receivers.
2xM80 VP180 2xQS8 2xM3 HSU STF3 LG 60PS11 Denon 3808 ATI 1506 LCR 2xATI 1502 Oppo BDP-83
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