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Re: Very Confused...need advice on Speaker upgrade
#87958 04/13/05 06:23 PM
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or a "rap sheet" (not speaking from personal experience).

Re: Very Confused...need advice on Speaker upgrade
#87959 04/13/05 07:53 PM
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I agree with Spiff. Looks wise:

1)B&W 70X
2) Swan's
3) Axiom
4) B&W 80X (I'd expect better aesthetics (sp?) from such an expensive speaker)
5) Rocket's ( I just really think these are ugly speakers)

Re: Very Confused...need advice on Speaker upgrade
#87960 04/13/05 09:25 PM
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Wid,
you are wrong!!! the bottome one you showed is the 5.2! not the 6.1.




How can one be wrong on an opinion ? I know the one I showed was the 5.2s but you keep comparing the rosewood finish to the other speakers with the price of the black cherry Swans listed above the wrong set of speakers.I was just showing what the black cherry looked like.I do like the rosewood finish but the black cherry is not so nice IMO.If you don't like my opinion...................to bad.




Rick


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Re: Very Confused...need advice on Speaker upgrade
#87961 04/13/05 10:24 PM
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I think he meant you listed the "wrong" model, but with the right/correct finish he chose.

If I read this right, he was not questioning your opinion regarding the finish. I would agree that the rosewood is the more appealing of the two, but he had a price point to target.

Re: Very Confused...need advice on Speaker upgrade
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Yes, the Rosewood is $1299, but the Faux Cherry Black (same thing, except different Color) is $899...I couldn't find a big pic of it in my color, so I put that one instead




He said he couldn't find a pic of the black cherry 6.1s so just to show the difference in the two finishs I showed a pic of what I could find.
This is what I said in an earlier reply

"I was just trying to show the difference in the quality of the two finishes.The black cherry is not to nice IMO."

I did not claim the pic to be the 6.1s.I was showing the contrast of the two different finishs.That's all.He was the one claiming how much nicer the finish was compared to all the other speakers while all along not showing his choice of finishes.A bit deceptive I thought.


Rick


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Re: Very Confused...need advice on Speaker upgrade
#87963 04/13/05 11:03 PM
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Hmmm. Good thing we don't have to agree on looks, huh ?


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Re: Very Confused...need advice on Speaker upgrade
#87964 04/14/05 05:23 PM
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Oh yeah we do!!

The wife says "This color is best"
And, so it must be!!!

(Ok,OK, so she was right this time)

Re: Very Confused...need advice on Speaker upgrade ($600)
#87965 04/21/05 12:57 AM
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I have the Athena AS-F2s and a Nad C370 integrated amp @120wpc. Oh Man!! Awsome sound! Clear and detailed. You can hear every nuance of the music. Great bass with AUTHORITY.
I recommend them highly. What am I doing on the Axiom site???? Looking for speakers for the den! The M50ti has the same configuration only smaller...1 dome tweeter & two 6 inch woofers instead of 8s. I hope they will sound like the Athenas...Lower models of Athenas just don't cut it. I just don't know though...People say the 60's have better midrange but, ya know...that 5 inch speaker has a lot of work to do to push out some serious Rock & Roll. The two 8's of the Athenas pump it out. Ya see, that's why I lean towards the M50s....


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#87966 04/27/05 01:37 PM
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Ok, I increased the budget to $1500...anyway:

After all the research, I decided to cough up a little more money and go with a bigger speaker, so I decided on the [COLOR=red]Swan Diva 6.1[/COLOR] mains and the [COLOR=red]Swan Diva 3C[/COLOR] Center:

and

I am just completely blown away by these speakers (they arrived yesterday), so I will put a small review here.....pics to follow in the next couple of days:

[u]Packaging [/u]
As soon as I got home, I knew this thing was up to a good start, because the 3 boxes arrived on top of a wooden Palette, each box made of really thick carton, and the whole thing wrapped in plastic so it doesn't get wet, etc.... I started to open the center channel box (which was huge for the size of the center channel iitself) and removed all the foam bricks and corners just to realize there was another box inside! :eek: I took the inner box out, and again, there was plenty of foam bricks and corners, and the foam molds holding the thing in place!

I pulled speaker out (it was HEAVY! ) but it was wrapped in an anti-scratching white fiber bag. There were two small gloves made of thin material on the top as well, so I used them to handle the speakers and remove the bag. When I pulled it out, my jaw dropped at the finish of this thing....(see below)

I did the same thing with the mains, which were much bigger, and needless to say, the packaging on them was even more impressive than the center...it took me about 20 min to take each freaggin thing out!

[u]Visuals, Finishing[/u]
If you are in the market for a $5000 speaker look at sub$1000 prices, this is the speaker for you!!!! When I took these speakers out, the first thing I stared at was the Lacquer finish (truly it was Grand Piano quality) and the details. The floor studs where heafty, the connectors in the back where HuGE and solid...they are bi-wire capable and they have a solid plastic cover so that they don't get dinged or anything. I thought I had pretty thick IXOS speaker wires, but when you connect them to these speakers, they look tiny

Once the speakers were setup around my TV, they are just a BEAUTY to look at....truly, I looked at them for about 10 min before I even turned them on, because they were such an impressive and fine looking piece of furniture....

During the last few months, I was able to see several speakers, some at much higher price as well....I saw the B&W 603s, 704s, Nautilus 804s, as well as auditioning the Rockets 750 (in South miami....Thanks Enrique! ), the Energy veritas 2.4, and some Paradigm Studios.....In true honesty, I can sit here and tell you that they don't come Close to the finish and look of these Swans! The Nautilus was the only one that I was equally or more impressed by than the swan 6.1s.

[u]Musical Sound[/u]
These speakers need about 100 hours to break in, so this is not an accurate assesment, but if they are going to get better with time, I cannot fathom how much better they can sound!!!
I started by playing a mozart CD, a Jazz CD, then some MP3s from my iPod, followed by Norah Jones SACD, Pink Floyd, and then my AIXrecords' DVD audio sampler (all of these thru my Denon 3910 player, except the iPod). The musical accuracy was AMAZING!....these speakers produced sounds I have not heard on my CD's. I still have my Infinity IL10's as my surrounds, and they are overshadowed big time by the mains...they are just stunning and so clear.

The 3 things that surprised me the most are: very tight yet musically deep bass, crispy highs (perhaps too much for some, but I love them), and just astounding depth and acoustic resonance in the mids and voices. I will let them run for a couple of weeks, before giving my full review, but they are off to a blazing Start!!

[u]HomeTheater Sound[/u]
I started by testing the levels using THX tests on the incredibles....the center channel had a louder level, but I left it like that for now. I then played LOTR-ROTK battle scene, Shark Tale 2 chasing scene, and Fifth Element Ultimate Edition last fighting scene....one word:[SIZE=4]WOW![/SIZE] The voices coming off that center channel were life-like, with depth and strenght! They had like a 3D spacial effect on them...wierd to explain....just like in the theaters! The mains did a Superb job in doing the effects and the sounds when needed...but the Center channel here was the one who stole the show....

Again....more detailed info when I get a chance to dive in for more rigorous tests when these bad boys break in a little....

[u]Initial conclusion[/u]

With the exception of B&W 704s, which were very close in sound quality, and the Nautilus 804s which I think did sound a little better, there is no speaker out there that has the combination of Sound, finish, and quality that the Swan 6.1s have, specially at this price range.

My colleague and neighbor has a set of B&W 603 S3 paired with a Denon 4803 Rx, and he came over to the house to check them out last nite... he was amazed at them as well, and told me that although it hurts to admit it, these bad boys are the better speakers musically (he didn't stay for the HT tests I did).

To all of you considering upgrading your mains (or your center channel) to something $2000 or less, I will tell you to give the Swan Diva 6.1s a test and I will guarantee you that it will be the speaker you end up choosing, specially when you realize they sound better, and are cheaper than a lot of speakers with much higher prices.

Finally, I will post pics in the next couple of days.....haven't had a chance yet, but I will:D

ps- Sorry, I never got to try the Axioms, so I cannot say how they would have compared, but man, if the Axioms are anywhere near these, I would have been impressed...

Re: ************ UPDATE ******************
#87967 04/27/05 01:50 PM
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Cool!
I know that you said it would be a couple of days before you had pix... but.... are they ready yet??


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