Axiom Home Page Forums General Discussion Technical Questions Well color me ignorant!

In reply to:

---

When I first learned how babies were made, I wondered why the hell anybody would want to do something so gross.

---

I suspect that is a common reaction. I know when my parents told me, I thought "EEEEEEEEWWWWWW! I'll never do that!." I changed my mind!

Yeah.....then after you do it a few times you change it back!!

I guess that all depends on who your practicing with.

It’s only a mistake if you refuse to learn from it.

I’m glad you posted this. It gives me an idea. I might just buy another amp and try bi-amping. I think this would be the ultimate way to ‘tweak’ the signal going to the speakers. I could adjust the pre-amp output 2 a little up or down over the pre-out 1. This way I could set the speakers up to play the woofers louder, or not as loud as the tweeters, or vise versa. Cool, an excuse to buy more stuff!!

In reply to:

---

I think this would be the ultimate way to ‘tweak’ the signal going to the speakers.

---

Devil's advocate here, Mdrew... but years of testing at the NRC have produced flat frequency responses speakers in the Axiom lines. You'd want to alter that?

Bren R.

Couldn't hurt, could it? I don't have to get 'approval' to spend money.

And to be real frank, trends, graphs and pie charts don't mean crapola to me. Hearing is totally perspective to the person’s likes, dislikes and preconceived notions, not something that can be quantified by an electronic instrument. I like my sub with music. Now if I were to go by graphs alone, then the 80’s should be more than adequate for me, seeing how the sub starts making noise before the 80’s dip into never land. But I can’t live without the sub anymore. So by using this reasoning, the ability to bump up the 80’s woofers a little over the tweeters, I believe that I would prefer that.

I dunno….just speculating here. I’ll know more after my separates show up and I play with them for a while. It may be that the tone controls will be all that I need. Or, I may end up preferring the tone controls defeated…….ain’t got a clue at this point. But I do like to keep my options open. It’s only money and I can’t take that with me. I sure don’t plan on leaving any behind when I go. My boy will get a free ride through college as long as he keeps his grades up, but the tit dries up after that…….

In reply to:

---

And to be real frank, trends, graphs and pie charts don't mean crapola to me.

---

These are charts of a speakers response at a given level measured at a given distance for a band of frequencies. By definition, these "crapola" charts show exactly how precise a speaker is.

Having said that...

In reply to:

---

Hearing is totally perspective to the person’s likes, dislikes and preconceived notions, not something that can be quantified by an electronic instrument.

---

Speaker neutrality can be measured. What the listener wants to hear can't be. I've mentioned my brother a few times, as a great example of two people with the same "nature and nurture" as it were, who couldn't possibly have more different tastes in sound. I like high end. Treble is spatialization. I run my treble controls high on my monitors and in the car, I like metal and poly cones, he prefers 10" paper cones - and I'm sure he's removed and eaten tweeters.

My M3s are "hideously bright" to him... his 1982 paper woofer towers are "undetailed and muddy" to me. Are either of us wrong - no, what we have makes us happy.

Bren R.

In reply to:

---

Now if I were to go by graphs alone, then the 80’s should be more than adequate for me

---

The graphs I saw at soundstage showed the 80s to begin bass rolloff after 60 hz.

There's a lot of bass below 60 hz that the M80s can't play as loud as a sub could, so the graphs do indicate wheather or not one would want a sub with their speakers, based on how much they want that last octave of bass there.

Though the gragh does show a roll off at around 60 hz it does not account for in room response. The specs are listed for the M80s at +/-3dB (Hz): 37 - 22kHz.I would have to say given their frequency response from the spec sheet the 80s would have very good output down in the mid 30s.

And Ian has stated more than once that those Soundstage charts don't apply to the current 80's.