Axiom Home Page Forums General Discussion Home Theater Can I place the m22 horizontally ?

they will be used as mains. I may have some issues on the height, so do you think it is possible to place them horizontally (i.e. flat down ?) They are abt 9 ft apart. (I'm also planning to get the vp150 center to complete a HT LCR setup)

Thanks

C, welcome. While of course it's possible to use a speaker horizontally even though it was designed for a vertical orientation, that should be only a last resort. The broad horizontal dispersion of the vertical speaker is adversely affected when used horizontally and becomes more uneven although it may still be acceptable. Actually a better idea is to also consider a vertical speaker for the center channel if possible, rather than one horizontally configured.

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Putting the speakers horizontally will mess up your imaging. Other than that, no problem...

If you have a height problem maybe M3 or M2 (assuming you have a sub) ?

okay.. it seems this is a bad idea...
how abt using 3 VP150 as LCR ?

That (or 3 VP100s) does seem to have some potential. I'm still kicking myself 'cause I briefly had two VP100s in my possession but didn't have time to test them as mains.

Only concern would be that the centers are not ported so you would probably need ~100 Hz crossover or higher. Again, don't go buy 'em on my say-so and don't be offended if the nice Axiom people snicker when you ask ("you've been talking to those wackos on the forum, haven't you ?") but that might be the best option if you really need horizontal mounting.

If the room is reasonably small, though, you might be better with vertical M2s.

thanks...I will see how I can cater for the height... (probably just move the spker out and find another location with a stand)

btw the reason I asked is because I saw some other brands claim their "LCR models" can be placed both horizontally and vertically. I guess it must be something unique there.

There are still big debates going on about center channels. Companies with small mains can use them interchangeably as L/C/R with no problems, and you can do that with any of the Axiom bookshelves as well, but anything over M2 tends to get noticed when you use it as a center.

Some companies believe in porting their centers, others (including Axiom) do not. A ported center is probably easier to use as a main but you still don't see that very often.

what is the biggest reason for not being able to turn them on their sides?the tweeters -woofers or both?how does the sound get screwed up?

The main problem is that your ability to "place" a sound along the L-R axis gets messed up, impacting what is variously called "imaging", "soundstage" etc...

Having two identical speakers side-by-side doesn't seem to be a bit issue but having the tweeter and woofer in a different vertical axis does seem to be a problem since different frequencies come out at different horizontal positions. This isn't a problem when the speakers are oriented vertically because we don't have "top and bottom channels", ie we don't try to image vertically. This is why pretty much all speakers have the drivers oriented in a vertical column.

Center channels play a bit of a trick to get around this. The "D'Appolito" arrangement (two woofers with a tweeter in the middle) works pretty well because the two woofers act pretty much like a single woofer in between the two, ie located on top of the tweeter. The VP150's TWWWT arrangement works the same way -- the outside pair of tweeters, the middle pair of woofers and the center woofer all sound to your ear as if the sound is coming from a single point.

Again, where this *doesn't* work is if you just have tweeter and woofer side by side because you end up with low notes over to one side, high notes over to the other side, and during the crossover region (at least an octave) you have a slightly different location for each frequency.

You can hear this pretty easily -- stand your current speakers vertically and listen to the "imaging", then lay them on their sides and listen to the same track again. Unless your room is really live (which messes up the imaging anyways) you should find the imaging much less sharp the second time.

I seen some of those LCR speakers as well. All seem to be WTW.