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#163003 - 03/26/07 12:25 PM Return m22's for m60's, or replace my sub
yanksjazz Offline

Registered: 03/26/07
Posts: 9
Hello all, new to the board and a new Axiom owner. I am in my "trial" period and I enjoy the clarity and detail of the M22's; however I am missing that "punch" (midbass?) that my Pinnacle Gold Towers provided. Would I be better served to step up the M60's, or replace my Velodyne 12" sub? The room is 15x20x8 with a couple of large openings....musice is jazz and classic rock...I have a Denon stereo reciver and NAD single CD player...any thoughts?

#163004 - 03/26/07 12:29 PM Re: Return m22's for m60's, or replace my sub [Re: yanksjazz]
Hutzal Offline

Registered: 07/26/06
Posts: 2102
Loc: Hollywood. (Canadian @ <3)
Couple of questions:

1. Is your system fully calibrated with your sub with an SPL meter?
2. Is your sub crossed over on your reciever at the correct frequency? (80hz is good for the M22s)
3. Are your M22s set to "small" on your reciever?
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#163005 - 03/26/07 12:29 PM Re: Return m22's for m60's, or replace my sub [Re: yanksjazz]
bugbitten Offline

Registered: 04/06/05
Posts: 2339
Loc: Madisonville, KY

A lot of us use the M60s or M80s without the sub for 2 channel listening and are very happy. If I want the extra extention of the sub, I have that option.

If you are happy with the lower end sounds from your sub then I suggest the 60s.

#163006 - 03/26/07 12:49 PM Re: Return m22's for m60's, or replace my sub [Re: Hutzal]
yanksjazz Offline

Registered: 03/26/07
Posts: 9
Thanks for the feedback. Actually, since my son works part time at Radio Shack it sounds like I should invest in an analog no, it is not calibrated. As far as the settings my reciever is stereo only with no settings; I use the preamp out and the sub settings. And boy I have been fiddling with those...from 40hz to 60hz mostly. So I will try the higher crossover. I used to "like" the sound of the sub but it sounds very boomy on some mid-bass now. So I might try a moving it.

#163007 - 03/26/07 01:04 PM Re: Return m22's for m60's, or replace my sub [Re: yanksjazz]
tomtuttle Offline

Registered: 06/20/03
Posts: 8345
Loc: Tacoma
Which Velodyne?

I'd encourage you to fiddle with sub (and speaker) placement some. Could make a big difference.

That being said, you're going to have a hard time finding anyone to discourage you from the Axiom tower speakers.
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#163008 - 03/26/07 02:05 PM Re: Return m22's for m60's, or replace my sub [Re: yanksjazz]
ravi_singh Offline

Registered: 03/14/02
Posts: 1351
Loc: Montreal
If your sub is too boomy, try lowering the volume, or placing it away from a corner. Corner placement can amplify certain frequencies and give that "boomy" sound.

#163009 - 03/26/07 02:38 PM Re: Return m22's for m60's, or replace my sub [Re: tomtuttle]
yanksjazz Offline

Registered: 03/26/07
Posts: 9
I have the VRP-1200 Velodyne...yes I agree the consensus may be to go to the towers! But I must pass that through the CFO..she is tough...I do look forward to moving the sub mid-wall and using a meter. Any suggestions on a test CD or DVD? I mostly listen to music but occasionally movies...

#163010 - 03/26/07 07:57 PM Re: Return m22's for m60's, or replace my sub [Re: yanksjazz]
thyname Offline

Registered: 04/05/05
Posts: 552
Loc: Oakton, VA
I actually beg to differ. I enjoy my M60s with a sub (see my sig). I initially had M60 alone in a two channel Rotel separates system without a sub, and purchasing my REL sub improved the sound quite a bit, after tweaking it for a few days. In addition, adding a sub is a wise move even for a 2 channel system, in terms of an upgrade path for a future HT system, as it in fact happened to me.
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#163011 - 03/26/07 08:13 PM Re: Return m22's for m60's, or replace my sub [Re: thyname]
Zarak Offline

Registered: 03/09/03
Posts: 1849
Loc: PA
I'm in the minority here I think, but I've compared the M22 and M60 and didn't think the M60 was enough better to justify the cost, so I'd say M22 with a better sub.

My biggest reason to upgrade from the M22 someday will likely be to get rid of the speaker stands and have towers instead. They'll be harder for toddlers to tip over someday.

#163012 - 03/28/07 08:14 AM Re: Return m22's for m60's, or replace my sub [Re: thyname]
KC23 Offline

Registered: 12/03/05
Posts: 212
Loc: Southern California
I also beg to differ. I would double check your present sub's placement and calibration as suggested, but if it were me I'd get a better sub woofer without question.

I have M60s, but IMHO they really didn't come into their own until I got a good subwoofer (admittedly I enjoy heavy bass).

I feel strongly about it too. Go for the better sub woofer.

(unless you are trying to fill a room too big for your M22s)

Edited by KC23 (03/28/07 08:20 AM)

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