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#355727 - 09/28/11 05:27 PM Re: Sneak Peak: VP160 Prototype [Re: Ken.C]
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Originally Posted By: Ken.C
Well, yeah... it looks a bit... well... not as well proportioned as the others. I expected this, of course, with the otherwise no compromise T/M configuration. I think it's valid to offer some criticism at this point on the design.


Could not agree more. Not only are our opinions valid, both pro and con, I would think they would be of some value, however minor.
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#355728 - 09/28/11 05:28 PM Re: Sneak Peak: VP160 Prototype [Re: Sarang]
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Originally Posted By: Sarang
chaneel


??? my wife won't approve of that !!
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#355732 - 09/28/11 05:52 PM Re: Sneak Peak: VP160 Prototype [Re: Sarang]
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Definitely a little boxy but a welcome addition to the lineup. I like the look of the vp180 better. I wonder which will perform better?
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#355734 - 09/28/11 06:25 PM Re: Sneak Peak: VP160 Prototype [Re: Sarang]
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It's not as trapezoidal as I'd expect an Axiom center channel to be. It sort of looks like my old toy chest.
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#355737 - 09/28/11 07:14 PM Re: Sneak Peak: VP160 Prototype [Re: 2x6spds]
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I would guarantee that the VP180 will perform better. It's really the no compromises center channel. It's got the larger cabinet volume.
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#355739 - 09/28/11 07:49 PM Re: Sneak Peak: VP160 Prototype [Re: tomtuttle]
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Originally Posted By: tomtuttle
I tend to agree with Jack about the outboard tweeters.

I'm a big fan of outboard tweeters, as long as they come in matched pairs.
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#355740 - 09/28/11 07:56 PM Re: Sneak Peak: VP160 Prototype [Re: Ian]
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Originally Posted By: Ian

This said we have managed to shave the height down to 10 7/8” which will help a bit with that boxiness.



Wohooo!! Can we call it shorty now?
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#355747 - 09/28/11 08:40 PM Re: Sneak Peak: VP160 Prototype [Re: Ian]
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Originally Posted By: Ian

Ajax,

It is true that the VP160 is designed for a unique purpose and particular customer bent.

The VP160 is going to end up being boxy looking compared to the other designs but that is the nature of the beast. The idea is to keep every detail as close as possible to the matching fronts, in this case the M60s. This means we want the same tweeter and 5.25” as in the M60 and we want the tweeter above the 5.25”. Our other three centre channels will remain the longer slimmer design.

This said we have managed to shave the height down to 10 7/8” which will help a bit with that boxiness.

Thanks Ian. Yes, I think those who find the prototype "boxy" will find the 10 7/8" height more satisfying.
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#355750 - 09/28/11 09:53 PM Re: Sneak Peak: VP160 Prototype [Re: Ian]
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Ian, looking at the pictures of the prototype, it did appear that the top and bottom of the enclosure could be a little closer to the drivers so as to allow a small height reduction.

Since even the VP150 is about 4" wider than the prototype, it would seem that adding several inches to the width would reduce the impression of "boxiness" to those who object(which doesn't include me). This would also get the internal volume closer to that of the M60 for purposes of bass tuning. Of course, the woofers should remain as close together as possible.
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#355756 - 09/29/11 03:29 AM Re: Sneak Peak: VP160 Prototype [Re: JohnK]
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JohnK,

This is a good point. We could put a port at each end of the front baffle (they are currently on the rear baffle). The question becomes should we go for a bit boxy but compact or proportionally more sleek but larger?
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