And one of the reasons I'm normally pretty adamant about it is guys like my old neighbour... he had a fair midline system, someone put the seed of amps sounding different in his head, so he changed his Denon AVR (not such a bad idea, it was missing some newer decoding features) out... and loved the new, more in-your-face sound of the new Onkyo... for a day, until the newness wore off and he had the same complaints as the Denon. I don't know how many times he exchanged the receiver (and paid restocking fees) for other manufacturers, chasing his elusive sound, but each time, the new one sounded just like the saleman told him it would... for a day or two.

Poor guy got taken for probably $400 in restocking fees before settling on the original Onkyo and replacing his Pioneer floorstanders.

Bren R.