Originally Posted By: jakewash
So your listening area is 12X12 but is open to more space right? Going with this, I think it's not really the speakers, it's your sub. It's not able to pressurize the entire room properly. I have M22s and M80s in a 12X16 area that is open to another 12X16 area in an 'L' shape and when the M22s are paired with the SVS PB13 Ultra in this space, they have a similar impact as my M80s and PB13. I ran my M22s with a lesser quaility(?) sub than your PSB and I too thought it was my M22s, so I went for the floorstanders. I then upgraded my sub and tried out the M22s with the new sub and was surprised to find the problem to be more associated with the sub than the speakers.

I have found many retail subs to lack the sheer output and smoothness of SVS, Axiom, Hsu etc., especially in the lower to mid price ranges.

Having said all that, I do still find a touch more impact/fullness with the M80s/PB13 than with the M22'/PB13 but it is something only someone that is very picky about their sound would notice and I would think most likely only under A/B listening tests.

If you are not really looking to upgrade the sub then yes, you will get more from the M80s than the M22s, especially in the lower ranges and sheer SPL output. I now fill my entire room with sound from just the M80s/sub(sub not really required), where I had to use multichannel stereo mode/sub to really fill up the space when running the M22's.


when I listen to music in general I usually use the extended stereo mode. Both m22 and qs8 are fed with the same stereo signal and the result is not bad. The bass is somewhat different because if you move inside the room you will ear a different tone when you go near the qs8 or m22. I don't really have any complaints regarding my sub. I don't remember hearing one of better quality (to be honest I never checked the ones that were out of reach and I had this one for 12 years). My sub is the component I never intended to change.

I will try to post a pic tomorrow, there is a chance that my QS8 may be placed at the wrong spot.

I just feel sometime that I'm missing the WOW factor, when my sub is turned on, you know who's delivering the punch if it's off, nothing special. My friend bought a pair of Mirage omni 550 for 400$ and boy, you have the wow factor right away. He doesn't have any sub but I was surprised. I never compared the two side by side. Maybe my m22 shines somewhere else. I just find them very discreet.


If I get the m80 the m22 would go on my computer to replace my Axiom AX1.5!

I can keep my m22 also, I just feel something's missing or badly configured.

my AVR is a pio vsx-1018

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