Chess, I've always valued your help so I'll try what you suggested. The only thing is the surrounds subs don't carry any LFE because they are not hooked up to the .1 LFE channel. They are hooked up in-line so they are carrying the bass that is mixed in to that surround channel. So the extra bass or sound I'm hearing is not from the LFE at all. By adding the surround subs I've only extented the range of the surrounds by letting the subs pick up where the surrounds leave off. It's really no different than having a speaker that goes down to, say 25zh as a surround and setting it to large.