That certainly is where I read the "bright" comments, though I have to say that folks over there rarely seem to knock the Axioms. I may go over to the local Best Buy and listen to the Denons versus the Pioneer Elites to get a feel for the difference. I imagine that is far from a perfect test, but maybe it will help me decide if I want to go through the effort of testing receivers. Thanks everyone for the thoughts, and if anyone else has an opinion about this I'd love to hear it.