Thanks everyone for your input. I couldn't get my dad to trust an internet vendor. He wanted to be able to hear everything. First we went to best buy and listened to a yamaha and a denon system htib. Those were the best from there. It was VERY hard to actually listen correctly that is for sure with all the noise and the fact nothing is set up anywhere near correctly. Then we went to Circuit city and found an Onkyo system that just seemed to blow away both of these systems. I can't remember the model, but I set it up for him at his house and it is a HUGE upgrade from that tiny thing he used to have. He seems to like it alot and I can tell a major difference. The bass is so much better along with the overall clarity of his system, but I sure would have loved to have a chance to get him to hear the 5 m2 or the hsu system. I would have loved to hear them so I could get an idea of the differences. Anyway, dad likes his new system and I am going to calibrate it for him tomorrow. I was quite amazed with how open it sounded. It definitley has a cleaner sound. If anyone by chance has heard this onkyo system. It is a 5.1 system with a dvd player. I can't remember the name of the system, but it sells for 799 right now at Circuit city. If anyone has heard that and the hsu ven. system and can give me an idea how they compare??? I would like to know for my benifit. Dad is happy so that is all that matters, but I would like to hear others opinions if they can.
Thanks


7.1 theater room
60 fronts vp180 center 4 qs8's ep500 sub

3.0 tv room
m3's vp150 center