The Marantz is getting added to the short list also, I'm on a rickety fence right now, I want the 4806 but they are getting harder to find at decent prices, the 4306 is nice but is not that much different from the mid level Denons, so maybe a Marantz SR7001 or even really save some cash and just get the Denon 2807, this whole thing is really starting to give me a headache

A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.