Thanks for the ideas guys. It hadn't occured to me to try the 150 verticaly, what is the advantage? another idea your responses just gave me was using dual vert. centers to the sides of the set. The room is about 35x20, the veiwing area is roughly 20x20. They sit 10-15 ft from the set. The curveball is the seating is spread out such that someone is usually off-axis to some extent. I'll have the sony next week and decide if it's worth using. I fear it's dpl 1, not sure how that stacks up center wise. I'm not wanting to break the bank but am willing to spend what it takes if it'll help them. Of course they would crap if I told them what it cost. I'll play with the dpl II and neo6 settings on my system a little- Id forgot about those!