Welp, I got my QS8s and VP150 in last night. Last week I received a pair of M60Tis and an AVR525. These speakers are simply amazing. I watched some of Gladiator and was just astonished by the sound coming from those speakers. I started watching the beach scene of Saving Private Ryan, and the people below me started banging on their ceiling! And I havent even purchased a subwoofer yet! Needless to say, I did have it cranked up a little [grin]. I am moving to another apartment in a couple months, and will request a first floor apartment. I think Ill wait to order the VTF-2 then...But now, I dont really need it. Those M60s more than make up for not having a sub.