Yes those are the speakers I was talking about. I am retired and will probably die in the house I am living in so want to find something I can live with for quite a while. It's a large 2 story but still all the rooms are filled so have to settle for the living room. Its about 18 X 30 feet. The speaker I really want are magnepan mmgw's and mmgc's. I have the original magnepan mmg1's and still love them but there again size of even the mini mags is a problem.