Jay, regarding your 3808 purchase, I believe that that promo applied to it as well. You may want to ask around some of your local hifi's and ask them about this. You might be able to get a price adjustment or possibly return and repurchase (as I did). I got this deal (AVR 2809+1800BD) on the 13th December. Hey, it's worth a shot! I can tell you where I got it from, if Axiom doesn't mind, I think they have stores across Canada-yup, just checked, they are. Maybe the promo's still on....

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