Murph/newf: I think I am going to wait for the EP 175 and test it out in my room. The website said the EP175 is optimal for my room size so I'll give it a shot. The EP350 or SVS PB-2000 is out of my budget right now but that's why the trade up option with Axiom is the greatest thing ever since the internet. Still havent't received a shipping notice, boy its hard waiting:)

side note: I appreciate the M3v4's even more now that I don't have a sub, the amount of bass they put out is awesome for their size and the room they are in. I found myself yesterday just listening to music and being amazed at how tight and low they go without getting the slightest muddiness.

Epson5020UBe, Pioneer1126-K, SonyS9000ES, PanaBDT360, M3v4 X5, EP175v4, ProJectCarbon, Cambridge551P