You would have a big change in weather Ray, I lived in Schenectady for 3 years and was glad to get back to the west coast. <g> As for old, I had a wake up call on 12/17, had a heart attack, and at 54, I'm to young for that, so decdied to spend some money and enjoy a new HT system. back to wiring, trying to get this thing finished up tonight.