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getting back on topic....

You're welcome Spiffy

Why does everyone blame the liberals for standing in the way of minimalist government? Seems to me that both the left and the right are guilty of spending tons of taxpayers money on pure nonsense. The rest is just Fox news channel propaganda. Now that I've said it I'm sure I'll get it from the right. Please, be gentle!

>>Why does everyone blame the liberals for standing in the way of minimalist government? Seems to me that both the left and the right are guilty of spending tons of taxpayers money on pure nonsense.

Mulroney did sort of sour things for the conservatives. He talked a good line but he spent like deficit financing was his own personal invention (although in fairness we were paying over 40B/year in interest on the national debt at the time). If you leave him out of the equation though, the Liberals have tended to be much more enthusiastic about the tax and spend model, both at a federal and provincial level.

I must admit, one could easily draw the conclusion that the Liberals shovel money we don't need to spend into government organizations, while the Conservatives shovel money we don't need to spend into private sector organizations. Canada has not been a happy place for voters for a long time.

Before Pearson, had I been of voting age I probably would have voted Liberal. At the time I think the parties were less polarized, although the curse of a three party system is that no party can afford to go more than a few tiny steps from the center or they won't get elected.

I have stopped blaming the politicians (except for the latest crop of Liberals, of course ) but blaming an ignorant and short-sighted electorate for the government we get tends to make one unpopular.

When was the last time a conservative was seen ranting about how an 8% increase in an entitlement was a "cut" because said entitlement was scheduled to increase by 10% ?

As for "Fox News" being "propaganda", there is a reason why this upstart went from a news network that CNN laughed at in 1996 to one which has a larger viewership than CNN and MSNBC combined. When they report news, they call it news. When they have opinion based shows, they call them opinion based shows.

CNN and the "Big 3" quit being objective decades ago.

wow...I agree with you on some things mr. sub, but defending Fox news as objective is laughable.

wow...I agree with you on some things mr. sub, but defending Fox news as objective is laughable.

Spiff - Fox News is objective. Period. That is the NEWS portion of the channel. Then they have the Opinion people - O'Reilly, Hannity and Colmes ... etc. That is opinion. There is a difference.

Now ... let us look at CBS, and Dan Rather. He used the NEWS to foist his opinion on people.

If that's the case, then they should have to change their name to the "Fox news and OPINIONS Channel"

Peter, you guys need to lighten up. Let us look at, say, the Bill O'Reilly show. I like using him because the right says he is a lib, and the left says he is a right wing extremist....

He CALLS his show his O - PIN - YON ...

During the show, they have NEWS BREAKS.

Same thing with Hannity and Colmes. Colmes is a liberal, BTW, as a COUNTER to Hannity. And There are NEWS BREAKS on this show, too.

During the NEWS BREAKS, they tell you "Four people were killed in a tornado in Kansas". That is it. They give no opinion such as why the US's refusal to ratify Kyoto caused the tornado during the NEWS portion.

You can tell when they stop the O-PIN-YON part and go to the NEWS part - They flash "NEWS BREAK" on the screen.

If we need a flow chart, just let me know ...