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hi guys i have the VP150 and i curios how you guys have setup, large or Small

I use small on all speakers, with a crossover of 80hz. What receiver do you have, you can actually set the crossover of each speaker? I know HK's can do that....

i have the pioneer 1015 and 6 JBL speakers, i have my crossover of 80hz to

I have mine set to large.

One of these days I'm going to change it and see if I can really hear a difference.

I have all mine set to large and the crossover to 60hz.

Then again I swear by M50s and M3s and use an open AMC Jeep as a daily driver.

Small and here is why. . .

VP150 Freq Resp +/-3db (Hz): 85 - 22 kHz

AKA it should be crossed over at about 80hz which means small. It is not a big bass producer. But it is nearly perfect for what it is supposed to do. Produce clean, clear and audible mid to highs.

Funny enough, I was experimenting on small vs large last night with some friends. Our test showed lots of improvements in Small setting with all bass to sub.

In my setup, when the M80 handled all the bass, it became unclear. At Small settings with the SVS handling all below 80Hz, the bass was much improved.

This confirmed what I read in many places about setting the speakers to small and leaving all the bass to the sub.

So, Small all they way, for all speakers.

Totally agree Nat, to me there is no reason to run speakers on the large setting if they can't produce the lows. Besides, even at everything set to small, and a crossover of 80hz, my 60's still produce fabulous bass. Just because you set your crossover to 80hz, does not mean it just cuts off at 80hz, there is a slope or transition.

Mains large. Center and Surrounds small. Crossover 80.
Sound pretty good to me.

bugbitten, if your mains are large, are you using LFE or LFE+Sub?

LFE to sub

A test you might try is isolate the center and sub, in other words, disconnect everything else and see which sounds better. If I was a betting man, that is laughable, I would bet that it sounds better being crossed over and not getting full range.

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I find my M3 as center sounded great crossed at 80hz in my old system without a sub, but as soon as the sub was reintroduced into the system, a voice component found its' way through the sub....very annoying

When I got the new system running, I found the same thing.....voices thru the sub at 80hz, but no voices at 60

Howdy.

RatPack - did you get your testing done.
I finally have my system ready to go and want to do some proper setups with my new Axioms.

So far I am thinking all SMALL and XOver at 60.
Bass out to SUB via LFE.

Tarun,

I would suggest testing you mains as large and small. Also test separately as stereo and dvd. I sometimes change mine depending on source.

No, sorry, I haven't done it yet. It may be this weekend before I get a chance to play around.

Here is my current settings...

M80's large xover at 60
VP150 small xover at 100
QS8 small xover at 100

I've played around with different settings once in awhile but this is where they are most of the time.

ok thanks for you help guys

I set all of my speakers to small. I think this makes it easier for my amplifier to power all 5 speakers. Without having to reproduce the lower bass frequencies there should be plenty of reserve power for the peaks in music/movies, let the amplifier in the sub do all the heavy work with the bass.

Large.

Oh, we're talking about speakers?

While we are talking about speakers, I looked in my Kenwood manual to see what it said about the "small" and "large" settings.

Here is what Kenwood says:

Small: Select when using a relatively small front speaker.

Large: Select when using a relatively large front speaker.

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That really gives me a lot of information.

Go Figure.

I believe their manual writers use the "don't overburden the witless consumer with details" method of manual writing.

Better than the Denon manuals

The VP150 sound great x-over'd at 80Hz. I must say that I have been impressed many time when using NAD surround EARS, how the center works it magic.

I use the Outlaw ICBM x-over at 100Hz. That is what Outlaw recomend,10Hz above the +/- 3dB freq. rolloff, in the VP150 is 85Hz + 10 = 95Hz... so I use it at 100hZ.

I also tried at 80Hz. and I like it more at 80Hz in the VP150 most of the times, but sometimes, when I play EARS NAD surround, the center tend to reproduce a lot of bass depending of the recording, so I use the x-over at 100Hz with the ICBM. Overall, along with the rest of the speakers and my room, that gave the best balance in my room.

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Large.

Oh, we're talking about speakers?

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