Re: Looking for comments on bulk 12 gauge speaker wire
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That's why I decided to order some. If the wire is easy to work with then I'm willing to pay a little bit extra.
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Re: Looking for comments on bulk 12 gauge speaker wire
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I agree regarding inaudible differences with wire. A friend of a friend of mine interned at some high-end wire company (trying to find the name of it) in california. He said they have a $200k system in a critical listening room for A-B comparisons. So maybe there is a difference, it just takes a rediculous setup to hear it. I can't imagine a company spending that much money if they know all that matters is the conductivity. But you won't see me spending too much on wires, its a complete waste of money.
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Re: Looking for comments on bulk 12 gauge speaker
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If someone buys expensive speaker wire and hears an improvement in the sound (even though it may just be in their head) isn't it still worth it? Wether the improvement is real or imagined, the listener still gains something from it. I have the terminated Axiom speaker cables, and although I don't claim to hear an improvement in the sound, I just like knowing that the signal is going through a high quality cable. Plus, they are really thick and heavy-duty and look nice (also harder to work with though.. but great once you get them in place).
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Re: Looking for comments on bulk 12 gauge speaker
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If someone buys expensive speaker wire and hears an improvement in the sound (even though it may just be in their head) isn't it still worth it?
Ah ha! Yes. Several questions/observations come to mind.
Can we agree there is a difference between the following:
1. It can be proven scientifically that wire A provides better technological performance than wire B; and
2. In blind A/B testing, I can discern a difference between wire A and wire B; and
3. In blind testing, I can not only reliably discern a difference between wire A and wire B, but also have a preference between the two; and
4. It makes me feel happy to have wire A.
I don't think ANYBODY would fault somebody for taking the latter position. It's those first three that get contentious.
You also raise the question of Value, which I think is fascinating. Doing so clearly involves not only subjectivity but also economics. Even if I could honestly fulfill criteria 1-3 above, I would clearly have a different level of economic pain for incremental sonic gain than someone with greater material wealth and/or higher level of passion.
I say, get whatever makes you happy, but don't expect others to idly suffer derision for their own choices, which are necessarily built on their own honest beliefs and experiences regarding the matrix of science, perception and economics involved.
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Re: Looking for comments on bulk 12 gauge speaker
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>> If someone buys expensive speaker wire and hears an improvement in the sound (even though it may just be in their head) isn't it still worth it? Wether the improvement is real or imagined, the listener still gains something from it.
Absolutely. The problem is that an "imagined" improvement is not repeatable, ie just because I think my XYZ brand cable sounds better doesn't mean you will think it sounds any better.
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Re: Looking for comments on bulk 12 gauge speaker
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I purchased my speaker cable at Blue Jeans, not because I thought they would sound better, but I liked the look of the cable as well as having the wires in a white jacket with black and red inner conductors. I always found it difficult to match the positive and negative cables on wires such as monster due to the clear insulation on the wires. To me it was worth a little extra cost for ease of use.
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Re: Looking for comments on bulk 12 gauge speaker
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I don't know if it is a 'standard' or not but I usually go with monochrome 14 or 12 awg 'zip cord' and rely on the 'rough is red' method to tell them apart. Usually one side will have little ridges down the length of the wire. I don't know about Monster or the other brands - this is strictly el-cheapo-per-foote brand.
-Brian
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Re: Looking for comments on bulk 12 gauge speaker
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At the risk of repeating myself (thereby adding to the general nausea of the regular forum members), I firmly believe "because I like it," and "because I want it" are two perfectly valid reasons for any purchase. As Tom and John so sagely point out, the problem occurs when I tell others they ought to like or want it (or not like or want it, depending upon which side of the argument " I" is on), and couch my opinion in terms implying that, if " they don't agree with " I", then clearly " they" are subhuman creatures incapable of seeing the bright light of wisdom and reality. It is always sagacious to state one's opinions, if at all possible, in a manner which allows others who believe differently from oneself, to maintain their dignity and self respect. It is my opinion there is, or at the least should be, room for differing opinions on this board. YMMV Now if I only could live up to my own advice.
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"People generally quarrel because they cannot argue." - G. K. Chesterton
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Re: Looking for comments on bulk 12 gauge speaker
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Jeez, Jack. I thought for just a split second there that you might need to increase your dosage until you snuck "sagacious" in there. oh, and my mileage doesn't vary.
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Re: Looking for comments on bulk 12 gauge speaker
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I did increase my dosage. Maybe that's where "sagacious" came from.
Jack
"People generally quarrel because they cannot argue." - G. K. Chesterton
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