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Due to a nice tax return coming soon into our bank account, and most importantly due to my wife's acceptance, I am ready to finally complete my Home Theater!!! The upcoming price increase on Feb 28th played an important part in our decision. Please see my sig. for my current setup. I have made up my mind for the following: QS8 times 2. VP 100, and FMS QS stands time 2. I will get them from factory "B" and also save another 5% since I am buying five items. Now I need you help guys in making my decision on receivers, as I am struggling between three options: 1 - Rotel RSX-1057 Was my first choice for a while. However, it only does HDMI switching. 2 - A new, coming soon, HDMI 1.3 receiver to take advantage of my ps3's BD and new sound formats. However, is it worth the wait? It will be tough to have speakers waiting for the receiver in my home. Besides, I can only do 5.1 due to the sofa being directly against the wall, and I have read that one cannot take a full advantage of HDMI 1.3 audio without a 7.1 system. Also, isn't audio processing better done by the player and not the receiver? 3 - Buy a "cheappo", temporary receiver until the HDMI issues is sorted out. Any advise is greatly appreciated!! Feel free to "change my mind" on my Axiom speaker selection as well. A blessing in disguise is that there is wait for factory "B" outlet items, and I don't plan to place the order until next week. Please note that I still plan to use my Rotel RB-1080 amp with the new receiver for stereo in bypass mode.
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Re the tax return, JohnK will be along shortly to slap you with a not-quite dead, still twitching trout.
Lump sums still feel much better than a bi-monthly trickle, though, don't they?
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I wouldn't worry about HDMI 1.3 at this point, you should be able to get the HD sound from the PS3 through HDMI 1.1 as long as the receiver is compatible with LPCM through its HDMI.
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Are you looking to get one those "last" of the HG cherry models?
I can't remember what color you have.
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Skerdi, as Peter indicated, the first thing you get is a slap for giving the federal government an interest-free loan instead of owing a little with your return.
On the speakers, looks good, but I'd suggest that you consider a vertical M2 or M22 center for smoother and wider horizontal dispersion than a horizontal MTM configuration.
As to the receiver, as the previously cited material indicated, HDMI 1.3 shouldn't be a major consideration. I'd suggest a less expensive receiver such as the Onkyo 604 or Yamaha 659, which you might find to be more than just a temporary solution.
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I wouldn't worry about HDMI 1.3 at this point, you should be able to get the HD sound from the PS3 through HDMI 1.1 as long as the receiver is compatible with LPCM through its HDMI.
Any example?
John, the reason we got money back is the points we paid for our condo last year, and the added interest payment. It is surely being fixed already, regarding the no-interest loan to government.
Thank you for your advice, please keep them coming.
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Any example?
I know the Denons are compatible with LPCM through HDMI, that's why I'm upgrading my 3805 to a Denon receiver with HDMI outs. I didn't do alot of research other than the Denons, but I'm sure most the mid to high end receivers with HDMI should work, there has been much disscusion on other forums about this and many receivers that will work have been mentioned.
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Just registered today, so forgive me as the 1.3 issue has probably been beaten to death, like everywhere else. Just fyi for the poster. Looks like BD discs are 5.1 uncompressed pcm from DD. 1.3 will allow TrueHD and DTS-MA. I dont think you need 1.3 for DTS-HD. Also, even just having 1.1, the dts formats are still supposed to sound better, if not to full capability. I believe there is only one TrueHD BD out, Legends of Jazz, but that its supposedly compressed? I do NOT (edit) own any hi-def disc player.
I agree with the other posters, that its not a big concern. I think it will take a long time for it to matter. Among my 480i dvd collection, I can count all the DTS-ES soundtracks on one hand.
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It is amazing for me to see how much things have changed and developed in 1-2 years I haven't been reading and kept in touch with Home Theater audio formats! I guess I neeed to re-do my homework for a while. I have no idea what these sound formats you guys are mentioning are.
Doug, I will get the black center to match my black M60s and probably Mansfield Beech for rears to match our sofa and our standing lamp shade for the rears.
John, I am really limited in terms of placement for the center. I have to place it on the top shelf of my DLP TV stand (underneath the tv) where M2 or 22 would not fit. I talked to Brent at Axiom who assured me that VP100 would be more than enough for my small living room and sitting distance.
Do you guys suggest a particular HDMI 1.1 receiver? I am certenly having a look at Mike's new receiver (mdrew). My upper spending limit for the receiver is USD 1,500.00
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I believe mdrew's Marantz has HDMI 1.2, there are many good receivers in that price range and below, I prefer Denon's so ther would be many good choices there, 2807, 3806, 4306.
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I’m beginning to feel like the Axiom, HMDI spokesperson and I’m not even qualified and hate it more than Ken does……
No, you do not NEED 1.3. Definitely, do not. Is it worth waiting for? Maybe, maybe not. With 1.3 you will get True color, auto lip sinc, and higher band width carrying capabilities for DD-HD and DTS-M. You will also get a whole new batch of bugs. So take your chances.
With 1.1 and even 1.2, most of the bugs have been discovered and the manufactures have, or are addressing them with firmware upgrades.
If you do not need or foresee yourself needing 7.1 and only need 5.1, there is a very large selection of HDMI receivers that will process high def audio that is on HD and BR disks in an uncompressed multi channel PCM bitstream.
Where the bulk of issues are residing with these new formats is 6.1 and 7.1 multi channel LPCM bitstreams. Some HDMI receivers process all 6.1 or 7.1 discrete channels without issues, some don’t. Some will extract 7.1 channels from 5.1 channels no problem, some don’t. So if you don’t need or want 7.1, no problem. You have numerous choices. If you want/need 7.1, your choices just got a whole lot narrower.
Now another point that continues to be left out of this 7.1 LPCM debate is just how many disks are encoded with more than 5.1 discrete LPCM channels. I know of three. I’m sure there will be more as more and more SD movies get transferred and new movies hit the streets, but in reality, how many nobody really knows and those who claim to know are quite simply……full of BS.
How many movies are directors actually filming in 7.1??? I don’t know. Not all of them, that’s for sure. Of my collection of just under 800 SD dvd’s, I have a WHOPPING four DVD’s that have discrete 6.1 channels. None have 7.1.
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How can I get a no-interest loan?  I am actually quite curious...
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Thank you Mike for your advice. I have read all your most recent posts the last couple of months on HDMI and learnt a lot from your personal experience and research. I would regret staying off Rotels as I really enjoy them in my stereo setup, but I don't think they are keeping in touch with the new HT audio/video formats. Quote:
If you do not need or foresee yourself needing 7.1 and only need 5.1, there is a very large selection of HDMI receivers that will process high def audio that is on HD and BR disks in an uncompressed multi channel PCM bitstream.
A few picks in here please! Unfortunately I can only do 5.1 in my condo, as the living room where the TV is, is too small and the coach is against the back wall. We just bought the condo last year, and can't even think of moving for at least five years. That means that I have to be satisfied with 5.1 for the next few years.
I looked at Denon 2807 now, and it seems full of features. The price is also OK.
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I looked at Denon 2807 now, and it seems full of features. The price is also OK.
I like that model as well, but I opted to run my video direct to the tv, so the 3805 remains.
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Skerdi, as Peter indicated, the first thing you get is a slap for giving the federal government an interest-free loan instead of owing a little with your return.
John,
I will happily let you pay my $1500 tax bill, since you feel so strongly about this.
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>>That means that I have to be satisfied with 5.1 for the next few years.>>
I think after you get your QS's you will begin to wonder what 7.1 will add to your movie enjoyment.
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I’m glad my foolish endeavors and humbling posting of my mistakes have been of value to you. This is just my opinion, which is just what it is, an opinion……but I think the Denon 2807 is the best bargain on the market right now for folks who want to take advantage of uncompressed PCM audio via HMDI. It’s one of the very few receivers that just works, first try out the factory doors. And you already have the amps for additional power if needed. My # 2 best bang for the buck would be the Yamaha RX 1700. It works fine from user accounts but the 2807 has a stronger amp. From there you get to the > $1000 receivers that are on my short list. The Denon 3806 / 4306, Yamaha 2700, Marantz 7001 / 8001. Then there’s the >$2000 receivers / processors. Denon 4806 / 4806 CI, Anthem AMV 40. I don’t know didly about Pioneer, Onkyo or Sony. Don’t like them and can’t really tell you why. They have wussy power supplies, so I never really looked at them all that closely. I’m sure they work fine for some folks. The Marantz’es and the AMV 40 do not, at this time process Discrete 7.1 LPCM. They will post process 5.1 to 7.1, but without a firmware change (pending release date TBD); they won’t give you true, 7.1 LPCM.
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Mark, I'll extend my congratulations, but that's it.
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I looked at Denon 2807 now, and it seems full of features. The price is also OK.
Living in an apartment I was in a similar situation about buying a receiver and decided the Denon 2807 factory refurbished was my best bet to last for a few years. The MultEQXT does a good job helping the speakers blend together around the whole room.
The only thing I don’t like about it is that the setup screen doesn’t display on the TV with an HDMI connection. I didn’t spend much time researching it because I just hooked up component connection for calibration. Now I just mostly use the LED display on the receiver when changing settings though it was not as intuitive to learn since the manual shows the on screen pictures.
Good luck on your choice
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This might sound like a stupid question, but where do you guys buy your Denon's, Yamaha's and Marantz's? I run a search for online stores on a couple of receivers mentioned here, and the prices seem to be way lower than MSRP. To tell you the truth I am very tempted from the "smaller" brother of Mike's Marantz: the 7001, but also Denon 2807 looks very good.
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It appears to me that Yamaha RX 1700 supports HDMI 1.2a, which, according to Hdmi official website is required to obtain lossless SACD audio. Denon 2800 is HDMI 1.1, which, again according to HDMI.org only adds lossless DVD-A capabilities. However, I can still use analogs for SACD, right? Sorry, but this whole thing makes me confused.
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Try Jason Turk at AVscience (the guys who started AVS). He’s been great to deal with and you’ll be surprised at their prices for Denon, Marantz. Or, wait for the Sherwood Newcastle HDMI receivers coming out this fall. They look too good to be true, espesially at their MSRP.
Yamaha and Marantz are the only 1.2a receivers out.
Yes, 1.2a supports SACD, but unfortunately, there are NO SACD players that send the data stream as straight DSD (which is what 1.2a supports) over HDMI. They all convert it to PCM. In other words, no SACD players are taking advantage of HDMI 1.2a’s bandwidth capacities over 1.1. There are also very few receivers that except straight DSD from SACD's. Most convert it to PCM. The Marantz will. Not sure what else.
And yes, this is all very confusing, frustrating, and in short, completely unnecessary. Analogue was / is quite capable to carry everything that HDMI will.
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Thanks Mike, I sent Jason a PM at AVSforum.
I had another look at JohnK's suggestion - Onkyo 604. It looks good, has hdmi 1.1 audio processing 90 wpc and also available in silver. I have forgotten to mention: I'd prefer silver receiver to match with my Rotels and TV. Why is it so cheap? am I missing something?
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I had another look at JohnK's suggestion - Onkyo 604.
Never mind, no preouts! I really want use my Rotel RB-1080 for stereo with the fronts.
Answering my own questions, this thing is getting serious 
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This might sound like a stupid question, but where do you guys buy your Denon's, Yamaha's and Marantz's? I run a search for online stores on a couple of receivers mentioned here, and the prices seem to be way lower than MSRP. To tell you the truth I am very tempted from the "smaller" brother of Mike's Marantz: the 7001, but also Denon 2807 looks very good.
I bought my factory refurbished Denon 2807 from Dakmart. If you go to the bottom of Denon’s home page there is a “Buy online” link that lists their authorized e-tailers. It took Dakmart a couple of weeks to get one in before they could ship it but it worked out well since I bought my Axioms from the factory outlet which also took a few weeks to ship.
Note I’m not trying to sell you on a 2807 it just seemed to be the best overall choice for me, given it’s power, input/outputs, and price. What sealed the deal for me was the Auto Set-Up and Room EQ by Audyssey. But definitely look around since you want this to last a few years before upgrading.
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Just wanted to let you know that I placed my order today with Axiom: VP100, QS4s and FMS-QS stands. All from factory outlet. I was cheap, wasn't I? Please let me know if I made a mistake, I think there is still time to fix it. I have forgotten to mention that my living room is 13X12X8 feet with a huge opening to a dining room and to a sunroom. My Samsung DLP TV 720p is located in the corner of the room, with the diagonal distance of 10 feet from the sofa. Somebody at AVS suggested Denon 887 the important part is that does HDMI 1.1 audio and has preouts which lets me use my Rotel RB-1080 amp. Any experience with this receiver? It is much cheaper than 2807 as MSRP.
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Good show, Skerdi, although as usual I'd suggest considering a vertical M2 or M22 center. On the receiver, note that it's the 987, not the 887, which is identical to the 2807. Also note that the 2807 doesn't come in silver, which you mentioned in an earlier post.
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Hey John, thank you so much, you're always of great help. In terms of Denons, I specifically meant 887 which does HDMI upconverting and audio (1.1) but it is significantly cheaper than 2807 (or 987). What's missing in 887 that I can't figure it out? Why is so much cheaper?
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Hey John, thank you so much, you're always of great help.
In terms of Denons, I specifically meant 887 which does HDMI upconverting and audio (1.1) but it is significantly cheaper than 2807 (or 987). What's missing in 887 that I can't figure it out? Why is so much cheaper?
The 887 is the equivalent to the 2307Ci, where as the 997 is the equivalent to the 2807.
Here are Some of the differences between the 2807 and the 2307CI, that I picked up over on AVS. They're from two separate posts.
2807 has Audyssey MultEQ XT
2807 has 480i-480p conversion from analog to HDMI(I don't think the 2307CI has this, although I'm not a 100% sure)
2307CI has XM HD Surround, 2807 just has XM
2807 has more inputs
2807 has 110w x 7 amplification, the 2307CI has 100w x 7
1. Wattage - 2307 (100W), 2807 (110W)
2. THD Rating - 2307 (0.08 THD), 2807 (0.05 THD)
3. A/B speaker selection - 2307 (on panel), 2807 (on remote)
4. Audyssey Room Eq - 2307 (none), 2807 (6 position)
5. Optical I/O - 2307 (4/1), 2807 (5/2)
6. Analog audio inputs - 2307 (10), 2807 (11)
7. Fron A/V/Optical - 2307 (covered), 2807 (drop down door)
8. Composite Video I/O - 2307 (5/3), 2807 (7/3)
9. S-Video I/O - 2307 (5/3), 2807 (7/3)
10. Component I/O - 2307 (3/1), 2807 (3/2)
11. Stereo/Direct Modes w/Pure Analog Path - 2307 (none), 2807 (yes)
12. DSP modes - 2307 (7), 2807 (none)
13. AL24 Processing; Multi-zone preamp outputs, selectable output levels; Discrete multi-zone composite video - 2307 (none), 2807 (yes)
14. Remotes - 2307 (Y/RC-1043), 2807 (Y/RC-1030)
15. Weight lbs - 2307 (28.6), 2807 (29.75)
16. HDMI - 2307 (1080p upconversion), 2807 (480i->480p only??)
I'm sure there are some other differences, but at the very least, this ought to help you out a little bit.
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I looked as this Side By Side Comparison Can't seem to find anything regarding 480i-480p conversion from analog to HDMI and 16)HDMI - 2307 (1080p upconversion), 2807 (480i->480p only??)
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I looked as this Side By Side Comparison Can't seem to find anything regarding 480i-480p conversion from analog to HDMI and 16)HDMI - 2307 (1080p upconversion), 2807 (480i->480p only??)
The 2307 does up-convert analog signals to digital output via HDMI but does not upscale video in any way. It will pass an incoming 1080p signal through HDMI. One drawback I’ve read is that it’s onscreen display is 480i. If your HDTV is not capable of displaying 480i you get a blank screen.
The 2807 also up-converts analog to digital output via HDMI, it does de-interlace 480i to 480p and also passes a 1080p signal through HDMI.
If you get either of these receivers and want to upscale a lower resolution to 720i, 720p, 1080i or 1080p you will need your HDTV, DVD player to handle that.
Sorry if I missed it but what sort of HDTV do you have or plan to buy? It may very well handle most of your up-scaling for you.
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The 2307 does up-convert analog signals to digital output via HDMI but does not upscale video in any way. It will pass an incoming 1080p signal through HDMI. One drawback I’ve read is that it’s onscreen display is 480i. If your HDTV is not capable of displaying 480i you get a blank screen.
What HDTV won't do 480i? As most TV signals are still 480i. The problem is that when you are watching in a higher display you won't get the OSD from the receiver visible on the TV, as I am unaware of any that can display 2 modes at once, 480i OSD and 480P(or higher), I guess it might be possible with PiP.
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The 2307 does up-convert analog signals to digital output via HDMI but does not upscale video in any way. It will pass an incoming 1080p signal through HDMI. One drawback I’ve read is that it’s onscreen display is 480i. If your HDTV is not capable of displaying 480i you get a blank screen.
What HDTV won't do 480i? As most TV signals are still 480i. The problem is that when you are watching in a higher display you won't get the OSD from the receiver visible on the TV, as I am unaware of any that can display 2 modes at once, 480i OSD and 480P(or higher), I guess it might be possible with PiP.
I said that wrong. It should have read.
“One drawback I’ve read is that it’s onscreen display is 480i which some HDTVs don‘t accept over HDMI. If your HDTV is not capable of accepting 480i via HDMI you get a blank screen.” AFAIK this is mostly an issue with a few older HDTVs. Since he was keen on using HDMI I thought it was worth mentioning even if it was unlikely to be the case.
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Sorry if I missed it but what sort of HDTV do you have or plan to buy? It may very well handle most of your up-scaling for you.
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I have a three year old Samsung 720p DLP. JohnK suggested (at the other thread I started here regarding upscaling) that my TV may be able to do the upscaling. I hope this is the case.
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Skerdi, I didn't "suggest" that your set "may" be able to do upscaling; it's basic video technology that a set with a native resolution of 720 has to scale material coming in to fit that in order to have a complete picture.
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Sorry John if it sounded that way. Sometimes is simply my way of expressing things in English (not my native language). I totally understand you in terms of upscaling.
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Just a quick update on my order: I was pleased to receive an email from Noreen saying that my package is scheduled to be shipped on 3/7, which is a little over 2 weeks from the day I ordered. My longest wait was 5 weeks for QS4s.
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After sevaral days of browsing online, posting at the forums, reading and researching, I finally pressed the button and ordered my receiver. I could not take it any more: the more I learned the more confused in terms of choice I became, thus harder to decide, and the more money I risked to spend. I know, I know, I really have a good handling of these issues now, you may say. Long story short: I got Onkyo TX-SR804 in Silver (press the silver square, underneat "Buy it Now" to see its actual color). It is basically their top of the line. I purchased fron an authorized online retailer. I initially wanted audio capabilties via HDMI version 1.2a, but as Mike (mdrew) clearly indicated on his search for a receiver, it is not possible to obtain uncompressed DSD for SACD, since no such player exists yet. 1.1 would be fine for me, at least for a year or two. I wanted to thank you all for all the support and great advice in this thread. Mike and John especially, you have been of great help. Now off to speaker wires for my surrounds and center. What do you guys think of This. I (I mean my wife) needs something white with a very small footprint, if you know what I mean 
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Very nice receiver, Skerdi; the 804 is one that I suggested to Mike earlier in the course of his search.
If the color and flatness of that wire will help your situation, fine. That's a bit pricey for 30', but flat wire is always more expensive since it isn't a standard item. If you order it from Amazon, add a CD to get over the $25 for free shipping.
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Thank you John, I always value your opinion. As for the wire, I really need to find something to pleaze my wife, thus flat-wire in white (my walls are white). At the side of the surrounds the wires are going to be behind the sofa, so no problem here. However, from the receiver to the sofa, there is one 12 feet wall, below a window, that I need to run wires from. Here is another Flat Wire in White
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Have you thought about running the wire under the carpet, or do you have wood floors? I don't know, it's just a thought.
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Yes, I have, but I am not very handy, and I am afraid I'd mess everything. My condo was purchased new last year and came with carpets already installed. Thanks though.
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Funny i have gone back and forth the same way you have. i have even seen you post in a couple of other forums at peices i was looking at. and just today i pretty much made the same decision as you. go with the 804 its cheap enough i wont feel bad if i replace it next year but advanced enough that i might not have to. anyway good luck where did you order from?
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I guess you're talking about AVSforum Jake. I also pay attention to fellow Axiom owners in other boards. Lots of ugly stuff there, but you have to admit, huge participation. Not a secret, Here is where I bought my Onkyo. I have to admit, even though I feel bad about it. I lost more than $50 from not ordering it from JR.com earlier this week, it is now sold out there.
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The Rotel is a good choice. I've always liked Rotel equipment - used to be a great bang for the buck. You may want to look at NAD, as well. Axiom offers Sherwood, which is a decent product and worth consideration.
If you're looking to spend over $1000, I think you can get more flexibility and better sound by moving up to separates.
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I (I mean my wife) needs something white with a very small footprint, if you know what I mean
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A quick update here on my cables: I just received the speaker cable for the surrounds, center, HDMI cable and subwoofer cable (I know I know this is probably not necessary, but I just wanted to be sure about the convenience and hum/shield issues) from BlueJeans Cable all for about USD 100. An HDMI cable alone purchased at local BestBuy would cost that much. Great looking cables, with a great price. Also the customer service was excellent. They answered all my emails in a timely manner, even in Sunday, shipped them Priority the next day I placed my order. I would highly recommend this company to everyone.
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No, you do not NEED 1.3. Definitely, do not. Is it worth waiting for? Maybe, maybe not. With 1.3 you will get True color, auto lip sinc, and higher band width carrying capabilities for DD-HD and DTS-M. You will also get a whole new batch of bugs. So take your chances.
One question about the HDMI 1.3 and the lip synch issue. I am doing advance reconnaissance for purchases over the next year....Does anyone encounter lip synch issues? Is there anyway with current technology to correct it? The reason I ask - I don't have digital cable nor do I have an HD TV - far from it - I don't even have an STB. Yet every now and then I have lip synch issues watching regular TV. I think it must be an equipment problem with Time Warner somewhere up the line - so the HDMI 1.3 probably wouldn't fix it. Since it is irritating, I am wondering if putting together a new TV, Digital Cable, Receiver, and DVD is lip synch something that I should be concerned about......Argon
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Well....Being somewhat of a rookie, I was trying to include some of Mdrew's post from earlier in this thread, but it came out looking like part of my post. Pardon my ignorance.
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Argon, you probably should'nt be to concerned with lip sync problems if you put together a new system, although the lip sync problems can be caused by a variety of things, many of todays receivers now have lip sync delay in their processing, Denon, Harmon Kardon and Yamaha are several that I know that have it.
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I just got today the email from Noreen, my speakers were shipped! I hope I can get them by early next week.
I also wanted to thank Noreen for all the help. She answered all my emails and was kind enough to change my shipping address to my work.
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One more question on lip synch....how much adjustment do today's receivers have in delaying or matching the sound? Way back in the day, we could watch our favorite college basketball team on TV and listen to our favorite college announcer on the radio. Today with games on ESPN and FSN and National networks, the radio can be as much as 3-4 seconds off and makes this practice untenable........Argon
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