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Need a million bucks? Put your ears to the test.
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I saw that article over on the Audioholics site a little earlier this evening....no takers as of yet!


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Not much new, not to most of us anyway.


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Quote from the Pear Cable site:

"Ultra Low Electrical Reactance
The ANJOU Speaker Cable electrical properties begin with ultra low inductance. At just 0.025 mH/ft, the high current signals flowing through these cables will lose a minimal amount of energy. What is perhaps more unique, is the ability to achieve impressively low capacitance at the same time. The capacitance of the ANJOU Speaker Cable measures just 114 pF/ft, thus minimizing dielectric absorption. This is one of the lowest, if not the lowest capacitance speaker cables that is able to achieve such low inductance. While some cables can achieve lower inductance, these cables typically suffer from capacitance 50% to 10 times higher. Cables that achieve lower capacitance cannot match the low inductance of the ANJOU Speaker Cable. The ultra low reactance allows for extremely accurate energy transfer."

I purchased Belden 12 gauge speaker cable from Home Depot at a little less than $1 per foot. I looked this cable up on the Belden site and it has an inductance of 0.15 uH/ft and a capacitance of 22.3 pF/ft. This makes my cable, which cost 450 times less, more than 5 times less capacitive and 1,667 times less inductive!

The statements they are making with regard to low inductance and capacitance are absolutely false.

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Mojo #177713 10/03/07 05:51 AM
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Yeah Mo, but is the wire from Home Depot as "danceable" as the Anjou was reviewed to be, and when playing music on it is there that same urge to "get up and move" because of its "great swing and pace"?


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How do these cable makers sleep with themselves at night? Ha ha ha.

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JohnK #177715 10/03/07 06:16 AM
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Here is the response I received from Pear Cable. Given the fact that the Anjou cable is a whopping six times lower than my cable, I think we should go out and pay 450 times more for it :
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Thank you for your concern over providing accurate data.

After reviewing your note, we found that in fact a typo did exist on our website. Instead of a mu, the symbol "m" was inserted with regard to the inductance figures for the ANJOU Speaker Cable properties. In order to avoid any confusion, we have corrected this typo by replacing "m" with micro to accurately reflect the true properties.

The inductance of the ANJOU Speaker Cable is in fact approximately 6 times lower than your Belden cable. As stated on our website, we are not aware of any loudspeaker cable with lower capacitance that can also match the low
inductance of the ANJOU Speaker Cable. Of course a lower inductance cable can be achieved by simply placing two "plates" of metal close together, but the capacitance for this geometry is signifacantly higher. If however this
absolute lowest inductance is all you crave without concern for other cable parameters then I would suggest you fabricate some speaker cables yourself using copper foil tape. This would be an extremely low cost solution. If
on the other hand you wished to purchase a cable along the same lines, I would suggest you check out Goertz cable.

Sincerely,

Adam Blake

Pear Cable, Inc.
134 Eliot Ave. | West Newton, MA 02465
P 617-273-0348 | F 617-870-5446
adam@pearcable.com | www.pearcable.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Erased to protect the innocent
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 1:21 AM
To: info@pearcable.com
Subject: Cable Claims on Your Website

Dear sir/madam,

Your website has made certain claims with respect to Anjou cable impedance which are false. Specifically, your site claims:

""Ultra Low Electrical Reactance
The ANJOU Speaker Cable electrical properties begin with ultra low inductance. At just 0.025 mH/ft, the high current signals flowing through these cables will lose a minimal amount of energy. What is perhaps more unique, is the ability to achieve impressively low capacitance at the same
time. The capacitance of the ANJOU Speaker Cable measures just 114 pF/ft, thus minimizing dielectric absorption. This is one of the lowest, if not the lowest capacitance speaker cables that is able to achieve such low inductance. While some cables can achieve lower inductance, these cables
typically suffer from capacitance 50% to 10 times higher. Cables that achieve lower capacitance cannot match the low inductance of the ANJOU Speaker Cable. The ultra low reactance allows for extremely accurate energy
transfer."

I purchased Belden 12 gauge speaker cable for a little less than $1 per foot. This cable has an inductance of 0.15 uH/ft and a capacitance of 22.3 pF/ft (please see attached pdf). This makes my cable, which cost 450 times less, more than 5 times less capacitive and 1,667 times less inductive!

The claims you are making with regard to low inductance and capacitance are therefore false. I ask that you kindly remove these statements from your website within the next 30 days.

Regards,

A concerned consumer

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Mojo #177717 10/04/07 12:02 AM
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Whoa, some of y'all really take this chit serious.


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Mojo, that is perhaps the most diplomatic way I've ever seen anybody call "bullsh!t".

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Here is the mentioned Goertz Cable web site, a fun read in its self.


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As a philospher, I would say that if the glass was in the forest and no one was there to witness it, would it be half anything?

As a financier, I would say that the glass is invested in 50% liquid assets.

As a physicist, I would say that we don't really know because the act of sampling the glass alters its contents.

As a psychiatrist, I would ask, "What did your mother say about the glass?".

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jakewash #177722 10/04/07 01:33 AM
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Jason, possibly we shouldn't be so dismissive of Goertz; at least they're one of the cable peddlers who name their speaker wires after snakes, so the audiophile will be aware of the oil used in its construction.


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Too bad they didn't realize the price was also a typo.

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I'll be sure to mention that in my next correspondence to them.

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I did like this from the Positive Feedback review:

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Compared to my other reference cables (all of differing designs: Kubala-Sosna Emotions, Audio-Magic Clairvoyant 4D, and Dynamic Design Nebulas) the Anjous are very competitive (even at their $2750 for a 3 foot pair, they are right up there with the others). Differences became issues of, well …being different and such, nothing extreme—more of slitting hairs and such. Yeah, the Audio-Magic Clairvoyant 4Ds are more dimensional than the others, the KS are bigger and bolder, the Dynamic Design Nebulas are more refined and smooth… and the Anjous are more danceable.




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Quote:

I would suggest you fabricate some speaker cables yourself using copper foil tape




Now, THAT'S funny!


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Mojo #177728 10/04/07 07:56 AM
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Quote:

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As a philospher, I would say that if the glass was in the forest and no one was there to witness it, would it be half anything?

As a financier, I would say that the glass is invested in 50% liquid assets.

As a physicist, I would say that we don't really know because the act of sampling the glass alters its contents.

As a psychiatrist, I would ask, "What did your mother say about the glass?".




As a chemist, I say the glass is always full regardless of how much liquid is in it. The balance is always whatever the atmosphere contains.
Now, of course, this leads one to the logical conclusion that if we want to maintain the performance of our speaker cables, whatever we paid for them, we should hermetically seal our cables. This will keep out the water from the half of the glass that will corrode our copper, whatever its purity, as well as keep out the air from the other half of the glass, which will oxidize our copper. And as a percentage of surface area, to keep both of these (corrosion and oxidation) at a minimum one should have the fewest strands possible. Therefore I suggest 12/2 romex as the be-all-end-all speaker cable, which, just for $hts and giggles, should be included in the double-blind study.

Scott


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Charles, definitely reassuring to read that the name of the Audio Magic cable is indeed justified since we're able to enjoy the sonic pleasures of the 4th dimension by using it.


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