Re: EP400s : The Little Subwoofer That Could
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Mark, I think it's really cute that you still have "hope".
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Re: EP400s : The Little Subwoofer That Could
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I dunno, I don't think he could make it much worse.
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Re: EP400s : The Little Subwoofer That Could
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Jason, you'll have one very soon .
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Re: EP400s : The Little Subwoofer That Could
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With my crappy, 13' square room, is there any significant advantage to upgrading my older EP350 sub to a single 400 or 500? If you have an outside wall, maybe the best thing would be to join the Cult of the Infinitely Baffled, put the subwoofer outside, and turn the room into a giant subwoofer enclosure.
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Tom and John: Now you know why I was excited to get the opinions of some non-regulars....considering how much help you "regulars" are! Jack, can I borrow one of those "sticking the tongue out and giving a razzzzberry" emoticons from your arsenal?
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I have a question for the sub experts here:
With my crappy, 13' square room, is there any significant advantage to upgrading my older EP350 sub to a single 400 or 500?
I understand that the new subs will go deeper, but I'm currently dealing with 28dB swings from one seated position to the next, and I'm still going to have the same room nulls and peaks. If I were to get a 500, for example, is there any advantage to replacing the current sub (same position) with a 500 if I'm currently satisfied with the volume of bass? Again, excepting that the new sub will go deeper.....
I'd like to think that I could get two 400s or 500s to help even things out, but that's an awful lot of coin and a helluva lot of sub potential for such a tiny room....
Any thoughts? Let's set aside the fact that square rooms result in more difficult acoustical problems than rectangular rooms. For starters I would always recommend placing your existing sub as close to the listening position as possible to minimize room influences. Moving up to a 400 or 500 from an old 350 is a huge stepup in performance and sound quality. Its not just about more extension. The 500 will give you much more headroom for sure which is always a good thing. However if you want or need the sub to be heard but not seen a 400 in that room would work well. And two would be better, especially in a square room. I'd suggest the 400 if budget and size are issues, though the improved 350v3 would also be a reasonable alternative.
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I'll second that from another person who has a crappy square HT room. I have an EP500 and probably won't be buying another for years to come but I do have a Sony sub (10" driver, fairly loud but not accurate like the EP500) left over from my old satellite surround system. I wonder if adding it to my room would help smooth things out for my different listening positions or would it's comparative lack of power and accuracy compared to the 500 just degrade the sound more than it helps. I know, I know, just try it out and see what it sounds like.... Just thought I'd throw it out there while the topic is up. That and if I buy one more audio cable, my wife is likely to strangle me with it. Her maiden name was Garrett and so I feel my fears are justified... I'd encourage you to experiment with the sony sub. Many folks discourage the use of different model subs but I've usually found the benefits from smoothing room nodes outweigh the less accurate sound from the weaker sub. It will be more challenging to get the subs in phase with each other and the speakers so it will take some time to check out various placement options. Its tough to do without the aid of a graphing display though. Without one the best approach is to take your RS metre and check it frequently as you make changes to sub placment and phase. Eventually you will find a place where the needle on the RS metre does not flucuate as much.
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What 's going through my mind right now is I would use the EP400 for music, to keep the bass nice and tight and when it's movie time turn on my old sub for tandem use on the other side of the room.
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That's a viable approach. The 400 would be sweet by itself with music. What's the other sub and how big is your room?
John
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Jason, that's an interesting idea. John, if I use a 600 with a 400, can I get the tightness from a 400 and the depth, power and transparency from the 600? And I have a Sony too so maybe I can use that as well.
One other question. In your experience, how many subs are daisy-chainable from the sub output of a receiver?
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