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Re: 80/60/22/3/HsuSTF-3/600/400...and a frankensub!
Mojo #181887 11/04/07 06:06 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Mojo
I don't think the lows between the M3s and M22s are any different from a technical perspective. However, the M3s sound like they have more bass because the mids are depressed. And the mids aren't really depressed on the 22s but rather they are depressed relative to the highs.

By the graphs that is how it is, but from the ears it sounds like the M22s lack bass and the M3s lack midrange and highs.

I too am waiting for those audiobytes, not sure how I will pass those by my wife though. I never use my PC for music but they will be awsome for games!


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Re: 80/60/22/3/HsuSTF-3/600/400...and a frankensub
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Re: 80/60/22/3/HsuSTF-3/600/400...and a frankensub
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Re: 80/60/22/3/HsuSTF-3/600/400...and a frankensub
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Chess,

I'd love to have a true, blind A/B set-up to remove all the biases like you say.

I suppose if all I wanted to do was A/B tests between 3 speakers, I could use a standard 7.1 receiver and place it into 7-channel stereo mode, right?


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Re: 80/60/22/3/HsuSTF-3/600/400...and a frankensub
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You're not a poster boy, I take it.


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Re: 80/60/22/3/HsuSTF-3/600/400...and a frankensub
Wid #181896 11/04/07 06:25 PM
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Re: 80/60/22/3/HsuSTF-3/600/400...and a frankensub
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I don't think 7 channel stereo puts equal sound to all the l/r speakers, but I could be wrong.

What I did was to use a 2 zone receiver, which lets you set the volume on zone 2 independently. Of course, that only lets you compare 2 sets of speakers...


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Re: 80/60/22/3/HsuSTF-3/600/400...and a frankensub
Mojo #181925 11/04/07 09:25 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Mojo
Chess,

I'd love to have a true, blind A/B set-up to remove all the biases like you say.

The very first time i had an A/B blind speaker test, i couldn't tell the speakers apart.
Of course, that is also the point where i learned about critical, focussed listening. Then it is not unlike seeing that picture in the mosaic.
It was a very eye opening experience about the true subtleties of audio.

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I suppose if all I wanted to do was A/B tests between 3 speakers, I could use a standard 7.1 receiver and place it into 7-channel stereo mode, right?

Mono mode, using the individual speaker setups to modify the gains with a switcher on the backside before the speakers in the chain might do it.

In the past i've only done matchups two speakers at a time.
Placed two speakers, one of each brand, ideally 12 feet to 15 feet in front of the listener location (helps to reduce L & R localization during playback but as a secondary test, i had turned my head to the left and right only to discover that what i heard with each ear was slightly different as well!).
The listener is blindfolded though the grille cloth idea works well too.
Single chair, limited width so the listeners cannot shift it around or exchange places and be sitting in a different location, even by a foot.
Volume matched speakers using the external amp with individual channel gain controls.
The listener could use the cdp control to reverse, restart or change tracks at will.

After that, things are variable how to proceed.
The switch person would begin with one speaker and then switch to another for a direct, a/b comparison with the blind part being the listener doesn't know which speaker is playing.
You could start with one speaker and then switch randomly such that the listener never knows which speaker is playing.
Or you could even have a third person setup the whole thing such that neither the listener nor the switcher knows if any, all or no speakers are up front whatsoever!!
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This is where that third person can really play tricks on the listeners by swapping in some Bose Acoustimass stuff, Grandma's ten dollar Dollar Store receiver and so forth when they think the two speakers that SHOULD be in front of them are their high priced, quality gear.
It makes things very interesting.


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Re: 80/60/22/3/HsuSTF-3/600/400...and a frankensub
Wid #181926 11/04/07 09:27 PM
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I hate big pics

Yes i'm sorry wid.
I haven't installed any photo software yet to adjust my picture sizes, much.
Most are 1024 resolution but i should crop some down to a mere 600 to make life easy for those with screens smaller than 19".


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Re: 80/60/22/3/HsuSTF-3/600/400...and a frankensub
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I'd love to make a living doing science projects like that.


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