Re: EP-500 Crossover/thought I had it all figured
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Hi Hansang, [snip] when I tried it with my own EP500, using both M22s and M80 v2s, I couldn't discern any difference. However, I trust Ian and Tom's conclusions.
I suggest you try it both ways, with the EP500's crossover set to bypass and your AV receivers bass management set to 80 Hz, and then with the EP500 crossover set to 80 Hz or higher together with the AV receiver at 80 Hz. Listen to the bass region between 80 Hz and 150 Hz to see if there's any difference.
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Alan I see. Thank you very much. I'll give it a shot this weekend.
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I am confused. Does the crossover on the EP500 have any effect when using the line in? I thought it only came into play with the High Level Input.
It doesn't make sense to have a crossover on the line in, I would want the EP500 to play everything it gets from the receiver after it is crossed over by the receiver.
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Maret, the "crossover"(actually it's just a low-pass filter on the sub, not a full crossover)affects either the line level or high level inputs unless it's set to "bypass". As mentioned, I didn't find any benefit in adding it to the filtering on the sub that the receiver was already doing. Note that the amended direction in the manual now suggests setting it at or above the highest receiver crossover set, so the effect would be to increase the steepness of the rolloff of the sub above that same frequency, compared to what would result from the receiver filter alone.
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Maret, the "crossover"(actually it's just a low-pass filter on the sub, not a full crossover)affects either the line level or high level inputs unless it's set to "bypass". Thanks for clarifying that for me!
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I am confused. Does the crossover on the EP500 have any effect when using the line in? I thought it only came into play with the High Level Input.
It doesn't make sense to have a crossover on the line in, I would want the EP500 to play everything it gets from the receiver after it is crossed over by the receiver. I would agree with you. The issue involves which configuration best blends the speakers and sub. What is unique with the EP subs is the steep brickwall filters unlike the gradual 12hz, 18hz or 24hz/ octave rolloffs found in most subs. While there may be some speakers and rooms that may benefit from these "cascading" crossovers, I would avoid engaging both filters because of the likelhood of creating phase anomolies and other artifacts.
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Han,
After almost a year of tweaking, I've settled on a 40Hz cross-over in my Denon and 600 for movies and most music. While this leaves a 35Hz gap in my surrounds, I haven't found it to be a problem. I enjoy the "tight" sound of the 600 when it is crossed over this way.
I've found that this setting works for all movies in my environment but not necessarily music. I find I have to very often tweak the cross-over settings depending on the music I'm listening to.
Regardless of the setting, the 600 blends in beautifully with all speakers.
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Would it be too impossible for subs to come with a remote for all adjustments--gain, crossover, phase, and whatever else there may be? I know some manufacturer's offer this, but I wish it was standard. It is so much easier to make and hear the differences between tweaks while I'm sitting in the listening position. I hate having to get up, walk over to the sub, make a minute adjustment to the dial, sit back down, and think, "Does that sound any different?"
Yes, I'm lazy, but I also have a mediocre ear that can't pick up small changes unless they are presented back to back.
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I have to say, that would be very convenient.
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House of the Rising Sone Out in the mid or far field Dedicated mid-woofers are over-rated
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Likewise.
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